ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
11ant schrieb:
If the extension is to be approved and not considered illegal construction, the planner responsible for making it compliant with insulation standards will have a tough time. Starting with the missing exterior wall in the attic, sealing this upper addition to the thermal envelope won’t be easy.
Your idea to count a battens extension on top of the rafters—needed solely because of the insulation board thickness—as also serving as counter-battens is nonsense from the same category as the ten-centimeter (4-inch) floor.
Don’t you think it’s possible to properly seal the thermal envelope? Basically, the original poster could just fill everything behind the knee wall with insulation wool. What’s the problem? The floor?
kaho674 schrieb:
Where is the problem? The floor? No, the ceiling between floors should currently even form the boundary of the thermal envelope – although the stairwell opening doesn’t quite seem to fit into that.
kaho674 schrieb:
Don’t you think the thermal envelope can be sealed properly? Yes, it can – and roughly as neatly as you suggest. But it will already be a tricky “what goes where and when” puzzle during the installation of the knee walls, which could have been planned and decided more straightforwardly from the start.
To me, the whole setup looks like the designer postponed the attic just as long as the builder did (who now suddenly wants to prepare it right away). Both should have thought about this earlier. At least an enclosure for the full staircase to the temporary attic would have been necessary, even better to run all pipes up at once and finish the knee walls (possibly except the inner cladding, to later install electrical work more precisely). But only after the roof is covered, to consider if and where a bathtub should be placed in the attic, is a textbook example of poor planning.
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Maria16 schrieb:
Is the bathroom on the upper floor really necessary and absolutely required? Since there is a full bathroom downstairs, a small shower room upstairs would be sufficient.With the layout as an apartment for two on the ground floor and a regular upper floor of a family house, you get
2 master bedrooms
2 full bathrooms, and
small rooms
The house is too small for that.
Why isn’t the roof insulated and included in the thermal envelope right from the start?
11ant schrieb:
...practically a textbook case of poor planning. With that statement, you can take a back seat in this thread.
I’m afraid the original poster might leave if we keep just complaining. We need solutions.
haydee schrieb:
Why isn’t the roof insulated at the top and included in the thermal envelope now? Out of money?
I would also consider adding the roof insulation now. That way, you can also confront the "botched planner" with their nonsense. Maybe they’ll reduce the price a bit.
It wasn’t much more expensive for us.
Insulating the floor and stairwell also costs money, and then you end up removing it again or it becomes unnecessary.
Especially in this case, time is ticking for it to become unnecessary. With a child, there simply isn’t any more money.
Insulating the floor and stairwell also costs money, and then you end up removing it again or it becomes unnecessary.
Especially in this case, time is ticking for it to become unnecessary. With a child, there simply isn’t any more money.
haydee schrieb:
Why isn’t the roof insulated at the top and included in the thermal envelope right away? I can only assume it isn’t – based on the plans and photos alone, some details are not entirely clear here. Without a carefully designed eaves box closure, I would actually expect the ground floor to act as a sealed envelope, but then with a folding or enclosed staircase.
kaho674 schrieb:
Solutions are needed. I’m afraid that even with a serious energy certificate (ERSTNL) this might still not be resolved.
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