ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
11ant schrieb:
My impression of the attic and staircase position is that the floor plans for the ground floor and the attic are most likely simply oriented in opposite directions. However, the original poster clarified this for themselves and the drawings (showing where south is on the ground and upper floors).
Climbee schrieb:
Your house would definitely not be my choice, but it does not have such obvious and fundamental design mistakes as this one. *Sigh*… Climbee is often right.
It is what it is. I see an attic space that will feel cozy. The windows reach up to the ceiling, but they are not extra tall; rather, the beams are set very low. They press down from above. The sloped ceilings currently create a bit of a cave-like feeling, which can feel oppressive when living there.
I would be careful when finishing the attic to avoid fitting too many rooms in there. Otherwise, it will become too cramped!
The staircase in this "sketch" also seems to be shortened by about 30cm (12 inches), or how long is it exactly?
One wonders how far the construction has already progressed. Has the staircase already been ordered and installed? What is the exact height of the ceiling? Has the stairwell opening already been closed? Are the door openings still adjustable?
Hearing that almost everything would have been allowed makes your toes curl. Ideally, you would want to replace the staircase and raise the roof with a knee wall of 1.25m (4 feet). But unfortunately, this is no longer a 3D planning game.
One wonders how far the construction has already progressed. Has the staircase already been ordered and installed? What is the exact height of the ceiling? Has the stairwell opening already been closed? Are the door openings still adjustable?
Hearing that almost everything would have been allowed makes your toes curl. Ideally, you would want to replace the staircase and raise the roof with a knee wall of 1.25m (4 feet). But unfortunately, this is no longer a 3D planning game.
But everything is already on the ground floor: living room, bathroom, kitchen, utility room, bedroom, children’s room. Upstairs, at most, I’ll still need an ironing room and a second children’s room or guest room. And you can always fit that in! Always. About the beams... I’ll just make a ceiling where they are visible. It looks nice too... And misplanning. Dear ladies, sometimes you can be like hyenas when things don’t go your way. The house is almost finished, and it’s simply rude to tell someone here that everything being built is rubbish. In that case, it would be better to stay silent if you don’t want to compliment. Guess how often I simply stay quiet in the house pictures thread here. Karsten
kaho674 schrieb:
Ideally, you would replace the staircase and raise the roof with a knee wall of 1.25m (4 feet 1 inch). But unfortunately, that’s no longer a 3D planning game.I see it differently. Why the knee wall? It was meant to be a small living unit where later the child would have a finished room upstairs in the attic. It was never intended to be a complete conversion, as it was supposed to be a full “1.5-story” house. But I agree with you: with some common sense and occasional 20cm (8 inches) buffers or extensions (regarding the mentioned tread depth, wall stubs, width, and heights), everything would work better. But all of that has already been discussed.
Nordlys schrieb:
Later, only a utility room and a second children's room or guest room can be added upstairs at most. Please read this carefully. The original poster wants two children's rooms, a bedroom, a bathroom, and a storage room upstairs. It’s clear that this is no longer possible. And it’s also clear that they can manage with less. But anyone who resists advice shouldn’t be surprised when reality catches up with them.
What I find even more striking is what the general contractor or architect (can we still call them that?) is delivering here. Built exactly as ordered—no trace of thoughtful input or any customer consultation.
You just have to consider a few situations to understand. You’re carrying food into the living room, a child comes out of the bathroom/toilet... → the result is that everything ends up on the floor and you have to start cooking again. A similar situation happens when you want to go from the living room to the bedroom: you pull the door towards you and somehow have to squeeze under the stairs to get in at all.
The small kid’s room is completely useless, and I say this as a father of three children. Kids usually sleep in the bedroom at first, but wait, your bedroom can’t even fit a crib...
In my opinion, this is just a complete mess, sorry.
The small kid’s room is completely useless, and I say this as a father of three children. Kids usually sleep in the bedroom at first, but wait, your bedroom can’t even fit a crib...
In my opinion, this is just a complete mess, sorry.
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