ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
One tip, since I also have this stairwell with an unfinished attic used as storage: use a patio door for the door leading to the unheated area. At first, we had a wooden door that warped so much from the temperature difference between warm and cold in winter that it barely closed. It has now been replaced with a patio door, which works perfectly. K.
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pffreestyler28 Nov 2018 11:10kaho674 schrieb:
Has the financial aspect been clarified to ensure that a future attic conversion is possible?Yes, there is a building savings contract about to be allocated, another one planned for a few years from now, and a one-time payment of 10,000 (about 22,000 US dollars) also in a few years, none of which are included in the current financing. The conversion will take place earliest in 4–5 years and will be done as self-build (family + friends). For me, it is important now to know the future plan so that the proper preliminary work can be done now to fit the later plans and avoid changes later.Nordlys schrieb:
A tip, since I also have this stairwell with an unfinished attic used as a storage space: use a patio door for the door to the cold area. We initially had a wooden door, which warped due to the warm-cold boundary in winter so much that it hardly closed anymore. It has now been replaced with a patio door, which works great. K. Thanks for the hint. Exactly because of this issue, we chose the MZ door made of plastic (U-value 0.93 and g-value 50% with warm edge). This door could later also be used as an exterior door for a possible planned shed.hanse987 schrieb:
If there is no irregularity in the design, the position and opening for the staircase do not match the staircase shown on the ground floor plan. I checked again, and it fits for me. However, I wouldn’t rule out that I may be overlooking an inconsistency in the design.
pffreestyler schrieb:
My focus now is on understanding how things should be in the end, so I can carry out the right preliminary work now that fits the final plan and doesn't need to be changed later.I think that's quite late in the process. The floor plan has already been discussed, and I find some of the choices rather questionable. But wouldn’t you at least want the doors to the rooms to open inward, as is standard practice, rather than into the hallway? Otherwise, there will be constant door noise. How big are the doors anyway, and what size is the main entrance door?
What do you actually need on the upper floor? And which way was south again?
The opening for the staircase is dimensioned at 2.5m (8 feet 2 inches). However, your staircase is 3.9m (12 feet 10 inches) long. With a floor construction in the upper floor of about 30cm (12 inches), this results in a clearance height of only about 1.3m (4 feet 3 inches). For a usual clearance height of 2m (6 feet 7 inches), an opening of 3.5m (11 feet 6 inches) would be required.
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pffreestyler28 Nov 2018 11:59kaho674 schrieb:
I think that’s quite late.
The floor plan has already been discussed, and I find the practicality of some things rather questionable. But don’t you at least want the doors to the rooms to open inward, as it should be, and not into the hallway? Otherwise, there will be constant door noise. How big are the doors actually, and what size is the front door?
What do you really need on the upper floor? Where exactly was south again? Planning the upper floor now is already quite late if it’s only going to be developed in a few years? Hmm, I see that somewhat differently. I’m aware that the practicality of the ground floor is questionable to many. But the fact is, it suits us, and after all, we’ll be living in the house. The ground floor isn’t up for discussion anyway; it’s really too late for that. Small anecdote: I once talked about the forum’s criticisms with my parents, and they said that the houses built in the old new-build area nearby didn’t have utility room doors at all, as the residents were not familiar with the concept of a utility room. Apparently, this seems to be a regional phenomenon in the north. By the way, I know three other floor plans from the neighborhood: two do it the same way as I do, and the third has an open kitchen but still uses the utility room like we do. Anyway, maybe a bit unusual and not quite up-to-date—I stand by that.
So far, we want all the doors on the ground floor to open into the hallway, because rooms 5, 6, and 7 are rather narrow, and if the door opens inward into these rooms, it makes them feel cramped. That’s at least our idea. But we can still change it since we are ordering and installing everything ourselves. The front door is 1.60 m by 2.20 m (5.25 ft by 7.22 ft), and the interior doors are 0.865 m by 1.985 m (2.84 ft by 6.51 ft).
The terrace faces south; I marked it on the upper floor plan.
But as I said, my concern is only the upper floor. There, we want three living rooms, two of them somewhat larger than the third, plus a bathroom and a small storage closet.
hanse987 schrieb:
The stairwell opening is dimensioned at 2.5 m (8.2 ft). But your staircase is 3.9 m (12.8 ft) long. With an upper floor structure of about 30 cm (12 inches), this leaves only about 1.3 m (4.3 ft) of headroom. For a usual height of 2 m (6.56 ft), an opening of 3.5 m (11.5 ft) would be required. Ah, that’s what you mean. Yes, it might not be exactly to scale. But the floor structure will probably be closer to 10 cm (4 inches): underfloor heating, dry screed, and floor covering. A cousin’s house has 9 cm (3.5 inches), also with a wooden beam ceiling.
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