Hello everyone,
Our new residential development is finally going on the market. We now have until mid-October to apply for a plot of land. We can provide a ranking of preferences, and the allocation will be decided based on social points (children, workplace, etc.), determining if and which plot we receive.
Our selection criteria are as follows:
- Space for a double carport with attached storage/workshop
- Not too many neighbors nearby
- Due to our budget, no larger than 650 sqm (7000 sq ft)
- Also, due to building regulations, a minimum size of 500 sqm (5400 sq ft)
There are only a handful of plots in the area that meet our requirements. All are located along the noise protection berm. We would include all of these on our wish list for the application, but the question is in what order.
Our top choice is either plot No. 4 or No. 1.
No. 4:
+ Located at the cul-de-sac
+ Largest plot area
+ Best orientation with the most west-facing sun
- Neighbors on both sides
- Possibly a longer driveway needed for the carport?
No. 1:
+ Neighbors on only one side
+ Use of the street as driveway access to the carport (short driveway on the plot)
- Area to the north will eventually also become a building zone
- Corner plot
- Possibly insufficient west-facing sunlight?
- Higher noise regulations
Although plot No. 4 has more advantages, we are currently leaning towards No. 1. Therefore, our question is: from your perspective, are there any important points against either of these plots? Do you have any experience with plots adjacent to noise berms?
Thank you very much for your help!
Our new residential development is finally going on the market. We now have until mid-October to apply for a plot of land. We can provide a ranking of preferences, and the allocation will be decided based on social points (children, workplace, etc.), determining if and which plot we receive.
Our selection criteria are as follows:
- Space for a double carport with attached storage/workshop
- Not too many neighbors nearby
- Due to our budget, no larger than 650 sqm (7000 sq ft)
- Also, due to building regulations, a minimum size of 500 sqm (5400 sq ft)
There are only a handful of plots in the area that meet our requirements. All are located along the noise protection berm. We would include all of these on our wish list for the application, but the question is in what order.
Our top choice is either plot No. 4 or No. 1.
No. 4:
+ Located at the cul-de-sac
+ Largest plot area
+ Best orientation with the most west-facing sun
- Neighbors on both sides
- Possibly a longer driveway needed for the carport?
No. 1:
+ Neighbors on only one side
+ Use of the street as driveway access to the carport (short driveway on the plot)
- Area to the north will eventually also become a building zone
- Corner plot
- Possibly insufficient west-facing sunlight?
- Higher noise regulations
Although plot No. 4 has more advantages, we are currently leaning towards No. 1. Therefore, our question is: from your perspective, are there any important points against either of these plots? Do you have any experience with plots adjacent to noise berms?
Thank you very much for your help!
The berm is continuous. However, starting from the adjacent plot, it is only 3 meters (10 feet) high. At the moment, the height is also three meters (10 feet) on the property itself. So, some changes can still be expected. We were there yesterday and let it settle a bit—you can already hear it noticeably, but the berm is not finished yet. In the neighboring development area, the same berm (4 meters (13 feet)) is already completed. I will inquire about that—I have so far heard from one resident that it is not a problem. And supposedly (according to an architect I know) the plots near the berm are quieter than those further away.
Regarding costs and buildability: the berm cannot be built on or used. But it does count towards the site occupancy index, which here is only 0.3. Otherwise, the large carport would be tight. Also, the berm areas cost only half.
However, I share your concerns and feel somewhat confirmed in that. For me, the question is whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages...
Regarding costs and buildability: the berm cannot be built on or used. But it does count towards the site occupancy index, which here is only 0.3. Otherwise, the large carport would be tight. Also, the berm areas cost only half.
However, I share your concerns and feel somewhat confirmed in that. For me, the question is whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages...
MayrCh schrieb:
Option 1 would definitely be my last choice. The noise barrier takes up almost 100 m² (1,076 sq ft); however, it doesn’t really help since it ends at your property line. The building boundary is completely within zoning plan III.
Is option 5 too expensive?
Traffic noise from one side, sports and industrial noise from the other. Seems like a charmingly located development area.The development area is okay. It is still located in a rural setting. We are tied to this location because we don’t want to leave, and there aren’t many new developments in the village anyway. Also, there is no industrial zone nearby, just a small tennis court and a multipurpose field where there are events twice a year.
The noise barrier currently extends 3 m (10 ft) further, and a new development is planned to the north in the coming years. The barrier will therefore be permanently increased to four meters (13 ft) in that area. In the other, already developed section, the barrier seems sufficient.
Unfortunately, option 5 is too expensive...
But another perspective: if you want to build and this is the only development area available in the next five years, would you buy a plot here? And if the large carport is my husband’s dream—can you accept the noise barrier then? Sometimes you have to accept a compromise, and at least you’re not right in the middle of the area. Not to be underestimated, right?
But your concerns are valid, and I still need to think this through...
If the development plan for the northern part is not yet finalized, I wouldn’t rely on it. So much can happen in the meantime, and you might end up waiting your whole life for the wall to be extended there eventually. In any case, the 3m (10 feet) won’t make much of a difference.
montessalet10 Sep 2018 11:58For number 4, there is no longer driveway or carport than the others. Unless you move the house closer to the sound barrier (which you should definitely avoid). Among plots 1 to 4, number 4 is still the best option.
In point 1, I also don’t see the double carport or the driveway from the north. According to the legend, on plot 11, the 3 m (10 feet) setback towards the northern road may be reduced, but not on plot 1. If I understand that correctly.
Generally, a 6 m (20 feet) carport plus a 3 m (10 feet) clearance on the other side results in a narrow house of about 7 to 7.5 m (23 to 25 feet) in width. That should still be manageable. What I can’t see is how deep the building envelope is, and you haven’t mentioned how large a house you want to build.
Generally, a 6 m (20 feet) carport plus a 3 m (10 feet) clearance on the other side results in a narrow house of about 7 to 7.5 m (23 to 25 feet) in width. That should still be manageable. What I can’t see is how deep the building envelope is, and you haven’t mentioned how large a house you want to build.
Lenschke schrieb:
But here's another angle: if you want to build and this is the only development area available for the next five years, would you buy a plot there? No, noise would be a dealbreaker for me. If you stay inside the house all day, that might be acceptable. For people like me who like to spend time in the garden, no chance.
Lenschke schrieb:
And if a large carport is my husband's dream — can you just accept the "Wall frog" (problem)? No. You can build a carport on almost any plot. Keep looking. Really looking means walking around and asking questions.
Lenschke schrieb:
You have to accept some drawbacks, and at least you’re not right in the middle of the development area. That’s not insignificant, is it? I’d rather have neighbors than a highway next door.
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