Hello!
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
fragg schrieb:
and to the hallway for Wi-Fi and to the basement/utility room for possible photovoltaic systems, smart heating, smart washing machine, and to the kitchen for a smart kitchen, and to the attic to supply TV... Other co-builders have 42. We have 19. Others have 3. Some have 0... You are on the right track.Thanks first of all for the replies!
We don’t have a basement. The internet connection will be installed in the utility room (also known as the technical room nowadays^^), where the air-to-water heat pump and the photovoltaic inverter are also located. So these devices are basically right at the source.
I’m still undecided about the kitchen. On one hand, at the moment I don’t really see myself connecting devices there – on the other hand, 15 years ago I wouldn’t have imagined a robot vacuum cleaner moving through the house or the internet becoming so ubiquitous in general. So maybe I should reconsider that after all...
Regarding the patch cable itself: is it possible to crimp those? I might install the cabling myself inside the house and could potentially buy several 100-meter (yard) reels. If I then end up with 20 meters (yards) of leftover cable, that would be a waste... Sure, you can create a spare cable or put it aside, but in principle, can cables also be extended without any loss in performance?
Regards
Roppo schrieb:
Regarding the patch cable itself: is it possible to crimp something like that? I might install the cable inside the house myself and could potentially buy several 100-meter (330-foot) reels. If I then have a leftover piece of 20 meters (66 feet), that would be a shame... of course, you can make a spare cable or set it aside, but can the cables generally be extended without any loss in performance? Possible: yes, with a soldering iron, electrical tape, aluminum foil, and more electrical tape, it’s a simple process. Without any loss: no. It’s better to start with the longest runs first, and if the cable isn’t long enough for those, then use shorter runs for the remaining runs. You’ll still have some leftover cable, but not 20-meter (66-foot) pieces.
Important regarding the cables. Patch cables are the ones you use to connect from the network outlet to the TV. What you need is in-wall cabling. If you have some left over, it’s a pity, but CAT 7 cable costs less than €1 per meter (about $1.10 per yard).
Do you have a hobby room planned somewhere or, for example, a workbench in the garage? Nowadays, most hobbies involve being online frequently. When in doubt, it’s better to have one more outlet than too few, and if you do the installation yourself, the additional costs are manageable. Just don’t forget that there are more enjoyable tasks than disconnecting the outlets.
Do you have a hobby room planned somewhere or, for example, a workbench in the garage? Nowadays, most hobbies involve being online frequently. When in doubt, it’s better to have one more outlet than too few, and if you do the installation yourself, the additional costs are manageable. Just don’t forget that there are more enjoyable tasks than disconnecting the outlets.
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Knallkörper31 Aug 2018 18:27Under no circumstances extend it; the cable is too cheap for that.
You will want a patch panel in a multimedia cabinet or in a wall enclosure for the switch. The cabinet might be installed in the MTR. But do you really want to run patch cables out of there?
Strong recommendation: where FTTH arrives, install at least one network outlet and one power outlet. That way, you can run the signal from the fiber modem through your patch panel and have complete freedom in placing the router.
Roppo schrieb:
We don’t have a basement. The internet connection will be routed into the MTR (Mechanical Technical Room, as it’s commonly called nowadays^^), where the air-to-water heat pump and the photovoltaic inverter are also located. So these devices are practically right at the source.
You will want a patch panel in a multimedia cabinet or in a wall enclosure for the switch. The cabinet might be installed in the MTR. But do you really want to run patch cables out of there?
Strong recommendation: where FTTH arrives, install at least one network outlet and one power outlet. That way, you can run the signal from the fiber modem through your patch panel and have complete freedom in placing the router.
Okay, don’t extend, understood!
Until now, I didn’t differentiate between network cable and patch cable. I mean the same thing—an installation cable that goes inside the wall. The electrician is allowed to connect it to the outlet later...
In that sense, I want to run at most 2–3 cables directly from the main distribution board, specifically for the air-to-water heat pump, the photovoltaic manager, and others. But I still need to draw and plan everything in detail; it’s a bit abstract for me at the moment.
Can someone recommend a good installation cable? Feel free to send it by private message if it’s not suitable for the thread.
If I want to have double outlets in the rooms, do I need or should I use a duplex cable?
To get an idea of a fair offer—how much should it roughly cost to install about 7 cables throughout the house? Living area is 140 sqm (1507 sq ft), 4 cables with double outlets on the ground floor, 3 cables with double outlets on the upper floor—a typical single-family house.
I know this is a bit like reading tea leaves since no one knows the cable runs... please give a generous estimate, I don’t even have an idea which direction this could go.
Until now, I didn’t differentiate between network cable and patch cable. I mean the same thing—an installation cable that goes inside the wall. The electrician is allowed to connect it to the outlet later...
In that sense, I want to run at most 2–3 cables directly from the main distribution board, specifically for the air-to-water heat pump, the photovoltaic manager, and others. But I still need to draw and plan everything in detail; it’s a bit abstract for me at the moment.
Can someone recommend a good installation cable? Feel free to send it by private message if it’s not suitable for the thread.
If I want to have double outlets in the rooms, do I need or should I use a duplex cable?
To get an idea of a fair offer—how much should it roughly cost to install about 7 cables throughout the house? Living area is 140 sqm (1507 sq ft), 4 cables with double outlets on the ground floor, 3 cables with double outlets on the upper floor—a typical single-family house.
I know this is a bit like reading tea leaves since no one knows the cable runs... please give a generous estimate, I don’t even have an idea which direction this could go.
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Knallkörper31 Aug 2018 19:55100 euros for each double outlet with duplex cable
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