ᐅ Positioning the house, garage, or carport on the property
Created on: 14 Aug 2018 08:29
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Grantlhaua
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
And honestly, I don’t understand the entire discussion about the access. It’s 6 to 7 meters (20 to 23 feet)... dear people, and you can even route it through the garage and come out right next to the front door.
This also gives you the option to create a nice spot in the southwest.
And I wouldn’t redesign the house itself here. However, regarding the kitchen and pantry, I will make another suggestion.
This also gives you the option to create a nice spot in the southwest.
And I wouldn’t redesign the house itself here. However, regarding the kitchen and pantry, I will make another suggestion.
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Grantlhaua23 Aug 2018 17:55kbt09 schrieb:
And I wouldn’t redesign the house itself here. However, I will still make a suggestion regarding the kitchen and pantry. I’m curious
kbt09 schrieb:
And I don’t understand the whole discussion about the driveway. It’s 6 to 7 m (20 to 23 ft)… dear people, and you can even route it through the garage to come out right next to the front door.I need to discuss everything thoroughly again with my partner. However, with the version rotated 90 degrees, you also have to consider that maneuvering is mainly required when backing out of the garage. Or you reverse onto the street.
Grantlhaua schrieb:
If I just mirror the layout, yes, but if I also rotate the garage [...] then the front door is obviously much further away from the garage door/driveway. I think we were talking past each other here. Maybe because after rotation you could approach the front door from the new driveway side on the west, or you could still go straight to the front door from the south, and only get to the garage side through the garage? – then just imagine a hallway running along the outside of the garage (in addition to or instead of the southern approach to the front door).
kaho674 schrieb:
since your car has quite a large turning radius. Where did I miss something – is there a Hummer parked in the garage?
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11ant schrieb:
Where did I miss something – is there a lobster in the garage?A bit silly today, isn’t it? Although with this garage obsession, I’m already guessing something starting at 40,000 (about 44,000) and up.G
Grantlhaua24 Aug 2018 07:50kaho674 schrieb:
As I said, I would consider placing the garage as a boundary structure behind the house. It would be narrower (6m (20 feet)), but longer to accommodate garden equipment. House entrance facing north. Driveway marked in pink. The rest is garden.
Roughly sketched here:
We also considered this at the very beginning, but we don’t like it because we definitely want the front door between the house and the garage, and we also didn’t want a “narrow corridor”-style open plan.
11ant schrieb:
Just adding a walkway along the outside of the garage (in addition to or instead of a south-facing entrance to the front door).What would the south access to the front door look like then? I understand having a walkway along the garage, but I can’t quite picture how it would work from the south side?
kaho674 schrieb:
Although I’d expect something starting at around 40,000 and up for that garage project.Almost. But there are reasons for the garage.
I need to visually present the whole thing today. Is there a good program where I can also include the driveway and paths?
So, now my kitchen layout, direct storage, broom closet, vacuum cleaner, and so on.
Structural adjustments after mirroring the floor plan:
Tall cabinet wall in the kitchen from left to right:
Then a 270 cm (106 inches) long cooktop block at the window… the entire window row slightly boxed in at the height of the tall cabinets’ soffit. Here, a ceiling-mounted extractor hood can be integrated along with lights that have different switch settings, including options for ambient lighting:
On the left could be all the dinnerware with cutlery, the middle for cooking pots, etc., and the right side for remaining pots, cooking utensils, spices, and so on.
In front of that, a 270 x 110 cm (106 x 43 inch) sink/preparation/baking island, from the kitchen side, from the right:
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The table is set here at 250 x 110 cm (98 x 43 inches), chairs with 55 x 55 cm (22 x 22 inches).
Advantages:
Structural adjustments after mirroring the floor plan:
- wider window on the left side of the plan, finished sill height about 130 cm (5 inches), lintel height about 210 cm (83 inches) (this is the only window on this ground floor side, so the lintel can be a bit lower)
- In the kitchen corner at the bottom right, a fixed window element facing the terrace/garden – this can be floor to ceiling, or alternatively e.g. a seating wall height
- Laundry chute remains
In the hallway, for example, three 60 cm (24 inches) wide openings at door height: one for a storage closet for brooms, vacuum cleaner, and similar items; one for a generous pantry with two 60 cm (24 inches) wide shelving units for all sorts of things. I would use that hallway area for kitchen paper towels, toilet paper, light bulbs, basically everything not used daily.
Also, I left the back wall of the kitchen open in the area of the base cabinets in the kitchen block. The trick is to choose base cabinets without a back panel from the kitchen side. This way, you can collect the household water container, glass recycling, and paper recycling directly in the transport containers here. Usable from the kitchen side, and when going shopping, you can take the transport containers out directly from the hallway side. You can place a new household water container there from the hallway side right away.
Tall cabinet wall in the kitchen from left to right:
- Could be a freezer cabinet
- Oven, with internal drawers below for pasta storage
- Two 80 cm (31 inch) wide base cabinets with doors, back open Space for a fully automatic coffee machine, kitchen mixer.
- Second oven cabinet (e.g. combi-steam oven with additional warming drawer), having water nearby would be practical here as well. Again, internal drawers below the oven for lots of canned goods.
- Refrigerator
- Upper compartments can hold all less frequently used appliances, even very large pots, etc.
You could also consider integrating a small sink here. In any case, I would provide a water supply and drain to keep options open—for possibly connecting a built-in coffee machine, a combi-steam oven with fixed water connection, or a freezer cabinet with ice maker later on.
Then a 270 cm (106 inches) long cooktop block at the window… the entire window row slightly boxed in at the height of the tall cabinets’ soffit. Here, a ceiling-mounted extractor hood can be integrated along with lights that have different switch settings, including options for ambient lighting:
On the left could be all the dinnerware with cutlery, the middle for cooking pots, etc., and the right side for remaining pots, cooking utensils, spices, and so on.
In front of that, a 270 x 110 cm (106 x 43 inch) sink/preparation/baking island, from the kitchen side, from the right:
- 60 cm (24 inch) dishwasher
- 80 cm (31 inch) (or 90 cm (35 inch)) sink base cabinet with 1, 1.5, or 2 basins, no drainer. You can hide dishes in the sink if needed.
- 40 cm (16 inch) base cabinet with waste sorting system, top for organic/rest waste… by the way, what is the system you use for “yellow sack” waste? Bottom could be for oil/vinegar bottles
- 90 cm (35 inch) (or 80 cm (31 inch)) pull-out base cabinet for knives, kitchen tools, prep utensils, taller items in the lower drawer, etc.
- Back side of the island with three 90 cm (35 inch) wide base cabinets, depth reduced to 50 cm (20 inches), space for serving dishes, additional dinnerware, table decorations, etc.
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The table is set here at 250 x 110 cm (98 x 43 inches), chairs with 55 x 55 cm (22 x 22 inches).
Advantages:
- desired ceramic or concrete countertop can be installed without seams
- main appliances can be ready for use but still somewhat concealed
- simple, no major adjustments, installation should fit well
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