ᐅ Positioning the house, garage, or carport on the property
Created on: 14 Aug 2018 08:29
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Grantlhaua
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
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Grantlhaua23 Aug 2018 09:04kaho674 schrieb:
With all the hesitation and tinkering with the old floor plan here, I can only think of a COMPLETE REPLAN. However, as I said, I don’t really see what significantly different outcome could come from that, since we have clear requirements regarding the front door, stairs, kitchen, orientation, etc., all of which work fine. Regarding the "rotated" garage, I don’t see any solution that would bring the front door closer to the driveway again, even with a new plan.
These are the kind of statements that really confuse me. "The front door should be closer to the driveway." Huh? The front door is right next to the garage driveway if you mirror the layout. You drive in and walk 3m (10 feet) to the door. So that can’t be the problem.
If you have agreed with the neighbors on a minimum distance of 7m (23 feet) from the property line, then that 7m (23 feet) is naturally the minimum distance to the garden gate. It can’t be any different.
You don’t want the garage on the north side and the house further south because then it would be too close to the street.
If the mirrored design is okay for you, then isn’t everything settled?
Or are you really complaining about having 6m (20 feet) more driveway to pave on a house project costing over 300K?
For a redesign, the question for me would clearly be whether to place the living area along the south side in a row—making the house narrower and longer—and possibly having the garage on the north side as a boundary structure after all. Possibly even slightly offset. However, I haven’t followed how the neighbors feel about boundary structures.
If you have agreed with the neighbors on a minimum distance of 7m (23 feet) from the property line, then that 7m (23 feet) is naturally the minimum distance to the garden gate. It can’t be any different.
You don’t want the garage on the north side and the house further south because then it would be too close to the street.
If the mirrored design is okay for you, then isn’t everything settled?
Or are you really complaining about having 6m (20 feet) more driveway to pave on a house project costing over 300K?
For a redesign, the question for me would clearly be whether to place the living area along the south side in a row—making the house narrower and longer—and possibly having the garage on the north side as a boundary structure after all. Possibly even slightly offset. However, I haven’t followed how the neighbors feel about boundary structures.
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Grantlhaua23 Aug 2018 09:24kaho674 schrieb:
The front door is right next to the garage driveway if you mirror it. You drive the car in and walk about 3m (10 feet) to the door. So that can’t be the problem. If I just mirror it, yes, but if I also rotate the garage (see screenshot), as discussed with @11ant, then the front door is naturally much further away from the garage door/driveway. I think we have been talking past each other.
kaho674 schrieb:
Or are you seriously complaining about having 6m (20 feet) more driveway to pave on a house build costing over 300K? What bothers me less is the 6m (20 feet) driveway that may need extra paving, and more that I create about 60m² (650 square feet) of unusable space next to the garage on the west side, which then adds up with the additional paved area to about 100m² (1,075 square feet).
We wanted to make that space usable by rotating the garage 90 degrees since the driveway would then be significantly smaller.
But I also believe that mirroring with the garage facing south is the better option. The space created on the west side just needs to be used for raised beds, a greenhouse, compost bins, garbage cans… whatever.
Grantlhaua schrieb:
.., as discussed with @11ant,.. I think you mean Kerstin (kbt09), right? I already searched through the entire thread for what you supposedly discussed with 11ant – that confused me earlier. Honestly, I’m finding it hard to follow you because you keep mixing things up and twisting facts.
I don’t like the idea of orienting the garage to the south because you always have to make a turn to get in. That means you’ll need a lot more paving since your car has a considerable turning radius. Or did I lose track of what you meant again?
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Grantlhaua23 Aug 2018 09:54kaho674 schrieb:
Your car does have a considerable turning circle. Or was I unable to follow you again?I agree with you, the main person involved was @kbt09, although the topic was also touched on with @11ant (e.g., post #64), so I had the wrong person in mind.
I should have realized this before the mirroring (original floor plan post #1), since the garage is also oriented to the south there. Therefore, orienting it to the west would save a lot of paving and space, but as a result, the front door would be in an inconvenient position, which, in my opinion, cannot be resolved.
Sorry if I confuse you—I usually have many thoughts in my head but often fail to communicate them clearly so that everyone understands, as I assume knowledge that the other person might not have.
As mentioned, I would consider placing the garage as a boundary structure behind the house. It would be narrower (6m (20 feet)) but longer, providing more space for garden equipment. The house entrance is on the north side. The driveway is marked in pink. The rest is garden.
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