ᐅ Assessment of a Developer’s Construction Performance – Experiences?
Created on: 30 Jul 2018 19:26
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Hello everyone,
I wanted to share a construction offer from a developer and ask for your opinion on what you think about it:
- Solid construction method
- 5-year warranty
- Architectural services, earthworks, foundation slab, shell construction, plastered facade
- Carpentry, roofing work, windows and front door, heating/plumbing
- Drywall installation, electrical work, interior staircase, structural calculations with reinforcement plans, thermal insulation certificate
- 24 cm (9.5 inches) masonry using Poroton/Unipor blocks, interior masonry Poroton/Unipor 17.5 cm (7 inches) / 11.5 cm (4.5 inches)
- Plastered facade, roof frame construction as a gable roof, roof covering with glazed clay tiles (Creaton)
- Roof overhang made of plastic, windows and patio doors by Rehau with 6-chamber system
- Electric roller shutters, air source heat pump, chimney, underfloor heating in all rooms with individual room control (ground floor + upper floor)
- Circulation line with pump, electrical installations according to building specifications
- Interior plaster and screed works according to building specifications in all rooms
- Aluminum front door with side panel
Owner’s tasks:
Tile installation, painting, flooring, interior doors
The developer is asking for 203,750€ for this, and the plot costs 52,500€.
What would you criticize in the included services? Or is it solid and acceptable overall?
Thanks in advance for your input.
PS: I hope this is the right forum for this post, otherwise please feel free to move it 🙂
I wanted to share a construction offer from a developer and ask for your opinion on what you think about it:
- Solid construction method
- 5-year warranty
- Architectural services, earthworks, foundation slab, shell construction, plastered facade
- Carpentry, roofing work, windows and front door, heating/plumbing
- Drywall installation, electrical work, interior staircase, structural calculations with reinforcement plans, thermal insulation certificate
- 24 cm (9.5 inches) masonry using Poroton/Unipor blocks, interior masonry Poroton/Unipor 17.5 cm (7 inches) / 11.5 cm (4.5 inches)
- Plastered facade, roof frame construction as a gable roof, roof covering with glazed clay tiles (Creaton)
- Roof overhang made of plastic, windows and patio doors by Rehau with 6-chamber system
- Electric roller shutters, air source heat pump, chimney, underfloor heating in all rooms with individual room control (ground floor + upper floor)
- Circulation line with pump, electrical installations according to building specifications
- Interior plaster and screed works according to building specifications in all rooms
- Aluminum front door with side panel
Owner’s tasks:
Tile installation, painting, flooring, interior doors
The developer is asking for 203,750€ for this, and the plot costs 52,500€.
What would you criticize in the included services? Or is it solid and acceptable overall?
Thanks in advance for your input.
PS: I hope this is the right forum for this post, otherwise please feel free to move it 🙂
Isabell4791 Aug 2018 14:38I can only agree with that. Comparisons can be very difficult to make.
Besides, I believe a forum like this is also meant to provide information that you might not find through a Google search. Is it fair to consider someone who is completely inexperienced and perhaps turning to experienced builders due to time constraints as basically "too lazy to do their own research"? Were all the people active here already “experts” when they first registered?
If this is supposed to be a high-level exchange, then unfortunately I don’t belong here either.
It would be nice if arrogance had no place in the posts and if conversations could happen on equal footing.
With that said…
Besides, I believe a forum like this is also meant to provide information that you might not find through a Google search. Is it fair to consider someone who is completely inexperienced and perhaps turning to experienced builders due to time constraints as basically "too lazy to do their own research"? Were all the people active here already “experts” when they first registered?
If this is supposed to be a high-level exchange, then unfortunately I don’t belong here either.
It would be nice if arrogance had no place in the posts and if conversations could happen on equal footing.
With that said…
Isabell479 schrieb:
Is it unfair to consider someone who is completely inexperienced and may turn to experienced homeowners due to time constraints as basically "too lazy to do their own research"?
Were all the people active here already "experts" when they first registered?I’ll respond since I expressed this in slightly different words.
1. I am not a professional in construction.
2. Yes, we have read up on various topics to at least get a basic understanding. Hey, we are investing a lot of money, and in my opinion, that doesn’t happen with just a snap of the fingers—it requires more effort. If someone doesn’t take the time for that (which no one has to), then they shouldn’t be surprised later if they have to call the construction troubleshooters or don’t get what they wanted.
3. If someone comes here and opens three or more threads with a simple option A or B question and also wants explanations, I will continue to criticize that because it shows they want everything prepared for them. There are already plenty of discussions and posts on all these questions here, so one could have read through those first and then asked specific questions.
Isabell4791 Aug 2018 15:52Okay, I can at least partly understand that.
I am also someone who first diligently reads through all the threads related to my topic before starting a new one. (Especially since I haven’t been around for long.) Of course, there are many answers you can find and use without having to ask the same question five times in different ways. However, I have also been reprimanded for attaching myself to a topic. (You can’t win either way…)
But honestly, I also work full-time and sometimes just have less time than I need. Unfortunately, the day only has 24 hours, and if I take a 20-minute break at lunchtime, it’s often not enough time to thoroughly read up on something, even if the topic is really important to me and it’s about my money after all.
That’s why I can understand people who sometimes just ask a question off the cuff that’s important to them right now.
I didn’t mean to upset anyone personally, but I like to try to see both sides.
I am also someone who first diligently reads through all the threads related to my topic before starting a new one. (Especially since I haven’t been around for long.) Of course, there are many answers you can find and use without having to ask the same question five times in different ways. However, I have also been reprimanded for attaching myself to a topic. (You can’t win either way…)
But honestly, I also work full-time and sometimes just have less time than I need. Unfortunately, the day only has 24 hours, and if I take a 20-minute break at lunchtime, it’s often not enough time to thoroughly read up on something, even if the topic is really important to me and it’s about my money after all.
That’s why I can understand people who sometimes just ask a question off the cuff that’s important to them right now.
I didn’t mean to upset anyone personally, but I like to try to see both sides.
Isabell479 schrieb:
But honestly, I also work full-time and sometimes just have less time than I need. Unfortunately, the day only has 24 hours, and when I take a 20-minute break at lunch, it often isn’t enough to dive deeply into a topic, even if it’s very important to me and, after all, it's about my money.Building a house simply requires more time than 20 minutes.
If someone can’t or doesn’t want to invest that time, they shouldn’t build but rather buy a used property.
We’ve been through all of this and are a bit more relaxed now... but when it comes to the argument about time, I’m out. It’s not like you work less just because you’re building a house.
For me, building a house means taking responsibility for yourself. That responsibility has to be earned by you; no one else can do it for you. It’s a completely different thing if someone tells me a house costs 250,000 and then I ask why and how, compared to when I gather my own numbers and know about the individual items. I get a completely different perspective and can then question whether everything is correct.
Since somehow everything is also available here in the forum, I don’t see why I should write the same thing every month. That’s what the search function is for. After all, my—and our—time is limited too... but we want nothing.
Sorry, I had to stop abruptly.
What I want to say is: we could serve everything on a silver platter, but that would not be beneficial for the future homeowner at all, because they would miss out on the essential planning. They wouldn’t have a clear plan... it’s as simple as that.
By the way, I would like to mention:
Someone who wants something is allowed to write more than the person helping them.
Someone who needs something is allowed to give more than the one who gives.
And the person asking is also encouraged to accept the unwelcome advice, because that is the most important.
What I want to say is: we could serve everything on a silver platter, but that would not be beneficial for the future homeowner at all, because they would miss out on the essential planning. They wouldn’t have a clear plan... it’s as simple as that.
By the way, I would like to mention:
Someone who wants something is allowed to write more than the person helping them.
Someone who needs something is allowed to give more than the one who gives.
And the person asking is also encouraged to accept the unwelcome advice, because that is the most important.
Isabell479 schrieb:
However, I have already been reprimanded for attaching myself to a topic. (You can’t win...) Actually, it’s quite simple, although there is a small catch. The easy part is to search with a keyword. The tricky part is: the search function in this forum regularly misbehaves, meaning it first falsely shows there are no results on the topic—and then a minute later, using the exact same keyword, a lot of results appear. Unfortunately, the search does not recognize synonyms: searching for “knee wall” (Drempel) won’t find “knee plate” (Kniestock)—which isn’t exactly the same but is often used colloquially interchangeably.
When looking at similar threads, please also pay attention to the date: necromancy (= bumping a thread that is two or more years old) is less appreciated than creating a new thread.
Isabell479 schrieb:
I can understand people who sometimes just ask a question out of the blue, because it is important to them right now. Yes, but unfortunately two types of behavior are quite common but not very welcome: Candidate X (favorite subject line: “need help”) writes “what should I do?”—often without properly explaining the problem in full sentences. Then, less than ten hours later, they come back with: “hello, no one has any opinion here?” :-(
Candidate Y lives in the delusion that their house design will be stolen, and then tears it apart in a dozen separate threads (bathroom door swing direction, shower tray slope, carport foundation, walk-in-closet sliding door, brick joint color, etc.). None of these are connected, but instead every detail is magnified thousands of times individually.
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