ᐅ Floor plan for a detached single-family house with a gable roof, 1.5 stories – suggestions for improvements?

kbt09 schrieb:

And nothing here is absolute; not everyone who asks questions here grew up with computers, and so on.

I think we will never agree on this. My father-in-law is now 80 and is currently considering getting a new smartphone. My dad is 75 and faster on the computer than my sister, who is 50. I don’t even want to start talking about the next generation...

Glad you both agree.
I confused the two people with C. My fault. But why is my choice of words criticized, while climbee’s seems to be okay? Either don’t comment at all or treat everyone equally here...

kbt09 schrieb:
Reading educates

I don’t know what you mean. I read one book per month between 300 and 1500 pages...

kbt09 schrieb:
And nothing here is absolute, not everyone who asks questions here grew up with computers, etc.

So let those people decide what great things are possible with a tool, who have been working with it since they were 11 years old? Otherwise, no offense, you’re living in the “past.”

kbt09 schrieb:
that everyone here is supposed to start floor plan testing immediately with a software tool

Whether I spend 30 minutes drawing by hand or learning to use the tool in the same time... my recommendation remains the tool.

Chiloe schrieb:
In English, of course, “more sophisticated”...

And your sharp irony is a better tone of communication? If you think so... I call it double standards.

WilhelmRo schrieb:
So, should you let decisions about what’s possible with a tool be made exactly by those who have been working with it since they were 11 years old? Otherwise, no offense, but you’re living in the past.

Reading is education, which means you should read what other people write. I am probably older than you, have been working with computers for longer, but I don’t presume to force everyone to work with computers. Of course, you can do great things with these tools, so I would like to refer again to my post 82 ...

kbt09 schrieb:
I myself use only software for floor plan designs (VA Professional),

but not everyone has this affinity for computers. And operating a tool does not necessarily mean you understand the technical aspects behind what it represents.

kbt09 schrieb:
to require everyone to work with the computer… but not everyone is comfortable with computers.

The point was explicitly not about everyone. It was more about how, just as the computer enthusiast acknowledges the craftsman’s skills, the same respect is expected the other way around. In my opinion, this does not happen. The “old guard” insist on manual work and do not accept anything else.

Knallkörper schrieb:
I’m not a fan of paper and pencil either. Once drawn, floor plans can be changed much more easily, allowing you to save and compare different versions.

11ant schrieb:
Unfortunately, that is still its greatest effect: the client falls in love with a non-functional model.

The problem is that sketching has little in common with actual drafting: a sketch captures an idea in five minutes, even next to the bed or bathroom. The next idea builds on it, until the one-way street turns into a dead end. Paper can then quickly be crumpled and replaced. You start over. From that evolves the draft, a relatively error-eliminated final draft.

Using a tool or software means investing a bit more time in the sketch, which can lead to going around in circles in the dead end, because “the rest” took so much time and somehow also looks nice (personal pride without technical knowledge).

If you have a 3D tool, you tend to fall in love with what you “created” as a layperson and don’t pay attention to any mistakes. If you do notice them, you excuse them as “software errors” or simply ignore them.

Climbee schrieb:
I just get the impression that for many who use software, their brain switches off. That usually doesn’t happen when counting boxes.

Exactly: I’m also not a fan of Excel, at least not for house-related costs. Many don’t pay any attention to the individual items; they only see the final result. Whether some items are disproportionate or missing is not noticed.

kaho674 schrieb:
It’s like with music. Before computers and such existed, only artists who played an instrument could make it. Today, DJs earn millions, more or less without instruments.

That may depend on the expectations of the audience. It certainly doesn’t hurt a DJ to be able to play an instrument or read sheet music. Someone who masters their craft as a skill combined with talent is always better than someone who only gets by with the basics.

kaho674 schrieb:
I recently visited my architect. He’s really not bad. Naturally, I drilled him about whether he is planning something particularly nice right now. Nothing was hand-drawn. Everything was on the computer — dual monitors and one more on the side. Interestingly, the calculations were done by hand...

I assume he also worked with hand sketches in his early years. As a professional, he knows at some point that the staircase needs to be at least 3.50 meters (11 ft 6 in) wide on one side so a bedroom wardrobe can fit upstairs. An untrained layperson would already be lost at that point... They first set up the measured utility room with a passage door to the garage before reconsidering the functionality of the stair location.

With completely freeform house designs (which are becoming rare), you’re starting off on the wrong foot if you use software at the beginning. For most houses today, a standard design adjusted digitally is enough. Then the client evaluates the architect’s quality via the 3D program, which initially impresses customers and nowadays is even expected.

kaho674 schrieb:
Yes, it has to be that way — see the focus of architecture studies.

I don’t see a difference between drawing by hand and working on the computer. You have to learn distances, shapes, etc., just like by hand. On the contrary, I have to be able to do it on the computer anyway, so why not learn it properly right away?

By “properly learning,” I still mean the craft itself... hand plus skill.

WilhelmRo schrieb:
You yourself have zero understanding. Where did I claim that switching media isn’t helpful? Nowhere... I said,
1. that here you’re expected to get your job right the first time, because time is money.
2. wasting paper for every little thing is a no-go in 2018! For 10-15 years now, a paperless office has been the goal!

Finally, I ask that if you criticize my posts, please don’t invent things I never said! That would be a topic for German class: missing the point = failing grade 6.

Regards

Expression: 6. Fail!

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Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to use my architectural software for two years due to missing hardware. As is well known, I have switched to graph paper and pencil. For sketches here — meaning ideas — it’s a super fast craft tool; in 10 minutes the sketch is done with small corrections (eraser) and uploaded. In that time, the computer has just started up... roughly speaking.

And yes, I often notice that the OPs then struggle mentally to visualize the drawing well in 3D. The drawings typically seen or appreciated are program-generated, like those Katja posts here.

For 3D: A tool is then helpful. But only when the sketch is more developed, so the effort is worthwhile... and please not by total laypersons who then overlook errors, as I mentioned above.

I find that sweet, frilly program awful. Not because I have used it but because the designs OPs post from that program never work. Usually, way too much is squeezed into a simple rectangular house shape, so it doesn’t function.

Therefore, I reject it for laypersons.

Good programs that cost some money can support more experienced builders in the details.

So: apples and oranges...

I will also buy “my” program again at the end of this year, as it has been my hobby for 30 years and I master that software as well as hand sketching.

Whether the OP here, with his hand drawing transferred into a program, will see where the errors are — I don’t believe it... to return to the topic.

Two or three years ago, there was an interview with the owner of a large American architecture firm. He had all PC workstations removed until the floor plan and facades were designed.
Reason: The buildings were becoming increasingly boring, unimaginative, and repetitive.

Pencil and paper have the advantage of quick corrections with an eraser. The bed is actually 2 meters wide (6.5 feet), and the sofa also has the correct dimensions.