ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters

Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,

We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.

The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.

The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.

The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.

We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.

We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...

Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.

Best regards!
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MayrCh
17 Jul 2018 16:23
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
1. to provide more detailed cost estimates than the initial overview with flat rates after 5 months and
2. to provide information so that we can actually make a decision about which KfW grants/loans to apply for.

As far as I know, there are more than 5 KfW programs for age-appropriate renovation and energy-efficient refurbishment, as well as possible combinations. You want a detailed calculation for every combination and can’t even narrow down whether it’s energy-efficient or age-appropriate? If I were your architect, I wouldn’t necessarily dive into this work either, knowing that most of it might be wasted effort.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
3. Is it common to only notice efflorescence in the basement (no musty smell or similar, but apparently saltpeter deposits) during the construction phase? I’m a bit worried that this might turn into another cost trap.

Well, an architect would probably be the last person I’d ask about such issues. More likely a building physicist. But what did the expert on old buildings, who hopefully supported the purchase, say?
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Ruhrgebiet23
19 Jul 2018 15:55
We don’t need a detailed cost estimate, just an overall calculation that we can use as a basis to compare things ourselves.

The energy consultant refers us to the architect – I don’t understand who else would be responsible if not the architect. :-(

There is no specialist for older buildings. At the second inspection, the architect was present and said that this was not necessary. In the end, we already knew that we wanted to renovate everything. But of course, a basement waterproofing can easily cost tens of thousands... Ultimately, though, that wouldn’t have stopped us from buying, and if we hadn’t taken it, there would have been 20 others waiting.
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MayrCh
23 Jul 2018 13:40
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
We don’t want a detailed cost estimate, just any kind of estimate that we can use as a basis to make comparisons ourselves...

Have you not yet received a cost breakdown according to DIN 276? But have you already submitted the building permit / planning permission application?
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
There is no expert on old buildings.

I find that at least bold when dealing with a 70-year-old semi-detached house. Issues may arise that can’t simply be resolved by “everything new.”
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Ruhrgebiet23
26 Jan 2019 13:39
I should have asked more specifically about the cost calculation according to DIN 276 back then. Meanwhile, the situation has escalated, and we can hardly sleep anymore. :-(

I described it here:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/kostenexplosion-schon-bevor-es-überhaupt-wirklich-losgeht.30007/
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Ruhrgebiet23
26 Jan 2019 13:48
Attached is the cost estimate.

Cost estimate renovation/extension, existing building approx. 100 m² (1,076 sq ft); costs for heating, plumbing, roof.


Cost overview construction project: garage (9 m / 29.5 ft) with 2 doors including foundation; total amount 293,930 €
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MayrCh
26 Jan 2019 14:02
Did you receive nothing else?
No cost estimate before the design planning/building permit application?
No quotation for the tender?

Just for the extension and the prefabricated garage, at least 50% more will be added on top.