ᐅ Underfloor heating with a brick ceiling?

Created on: 23 Aug 2011 17:42
S
speer
S
speer
23 Aug 2011 17:42
Hello everyone,
is it possible to operate underfloor heating with a brick slab ceiling without a concrete topping? I have searched a lot online but couldn't find any useful information.
Maybe someone here knows more about this or has experience with it in practice.

Good luck
Speer
€uro
23 Aug 2011 19:04
Hello,
speer schrieb:
...is it possible to operate underfloor heating with a brick ceiling without a concrete topping?
If the underfloor heating is properly sized, there should be no problems.

Best regards
S
speer
23 Aug 2011 19:29
Hello €uro,
are there potentially any issues with floor heating and furniture like cabinets, and do these need to be pre-dimensioned in advance? Some brick manufacturers also offer a climate ceiling. In that case, you would basically be free in terms of surface area.
It would be interesting to know the advantages and disadvantages of each heating method.

Does this topic also fall within the scope of a certified energy consultant?

Good luck

Speer
€uro
24 Aug 2011 10:28
Hello,
speer schrieb:
...are there possibly problems with floor heating and cabinets, etc., and do these need to be pre-sized in advance?
With a properly sized heating surface, there are generally no problems. Permanently inactive heating areas are accounted for in the overall balance. Temporarily inactive heating zones are piped but their reduced contribution to heating capacity is taken into account accordingly. Additionally, adjustments can be made by selecting appropriate operating parameters.
speer schrieb:
...Some brick manufacturers also offer climate ceilings. There, you would be basically free in terms of surface area.

Climate ceilings are less suitable for heating purposes but better for cooling. For underfloor heating, it is the other way around.
speer schrieb:
...Does this topic also concern a certified energy consultant?
Probably not, unless they are also a building services engineer.

Best regards.
€uro
24 Aug 2011 16:43
Hello,
speer schrieb:
My sister has underfloor heating, and it’s very pleasant to walk barefoot there. The children also enjoy playing on the heated tiles.
That’s what I meant
speer schrieb:
...Does the climate ceiling radiate from top to bottom? Does that negatively affect comfort?

The concept of “radiation” is a bit tricky. Often, it’s just a marketing term that’s been misused. Every object emits radiation, even if it feels very cold to humans (Stefan-Boltzmann law)! In this sense, radiation from climate ceilings is very relative. Comfort depends greatly on the intensity of radiation, which increases with surface temperature. For efficiency reasons, modern heating systems operate at low system temperatures, and consequently, surface temperatures are also low.
In other words, you don’t really feel anything radiating from these surfaces. It’s quite different with a traditional tiled stove Grandma might have.

Best regards
H
Häuslebauer40
25 Aug 2011 22:28
On the other hand, proponents and designers of clay tile radiant ceilings, such as those used in the Rötzer brick element house, claim that the radiant heat from above mimics what we experience in nature (sunshine = radiation from above). They find this type of heat significantly more comfortable than radiant heat from below (such as underfloor heating). This method is also said to save energy, as a lower room temperature is perceived as warmer compared to conventional heating systems. Whether this is true, however, is for those who have installed a clay tile ceiling heating (and cooling) system in their homes to judge...