á Bungalow with a gable roof, edge development, 8 by 17 meters
Created on: 29 Apr 2018 22:51
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Grit Stephan
Hello,
we have a building plot and everything is still possible.
Of course, we have wishes and ideas.
Just like people are different, we all build our houses differently...
Iâm interested in how you would approach having two sides, namely the east and south sides, facing a green area: but with a tree preservation and planting requirement on the south side...
And you want to be part of this garden...
Here are the facts as suggested by the moderation:
Plot size 1159 sqm (12,470 sq ft)
No slope, only a slight incline along a ditch, but itâs on the building boundary anyway. With trees and planting according to the development plan on the long side, where a tree already stands. Building boundary on the long side 6 meters (20 feet). The rest 3 meters (10 feet).
Floor area ratio known only as a percentage: 60% may be built on.
Plot ratio unknown at the moment, definitely ridge height 12 meters (39 feet). Surrounding buildings are mostly one and a half stories, and bungalows are planned. There are practically no restrictions.
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development, only known after consulting authorities, our plan fits...
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 1 (1.5 floors would also be conceivable)
Roof shape gable roof.
Style simple bungalow
Orientation? See plan.
Maximum heights/restrictions
Other requirements are met.
2 neighbors.
One on the north side and one on the west side, but only on a small section.
The rest of the west side is the access driveway.
Client requirements
We have no particular style preference; for us, the important thing is that we found a nice building plot in this location at all and that we focus more on a reasonable budget, finding an affordable mortgage payment, and being able to live well in the long term.
Household of 4 people, visitors 3-5 (at once) at least 4 weekends per year... We have a caravan that is used as an extra bedroom for us.
An office and workspace would be very advantageous for us as technology and craft enthusiasts.
Sufficient space on a small footprint.
The living area could also be open up to the roof... Or have a ceiling like the other rooms. But no exact idea yet... The structural engineering should be feasible, but itâs not yet decided what budget we want to allocate to that...
Whether conservative or modern... Iâd say a healthy mix. In any case, with
an open kitchen, a small kitchen island (not a must) but reasonable storage space in the kitchen. As a mom, I want to be part of the busy life, and I can no longer imagine having a separate kitchen.
A basement is not essential.
Double garage planned. Possibly a carport.
Number of dining seats: 6 definitely, 8 would be great.
A fireplace is planned.
Wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
1. Room layout:
Bedroom on the long side, as thatâs the quiet green side. The kitchen and living room should be basically part of the garden.
The kitchen has morning and evening sun.
The entrance is at the front because we decided that a side entrance near the neighborâfor example: getting out of the car and around the corner, behind the houseâis too far away for us, and the front facing the street would otherwise only have a window for the utility room...
Terrace location still open. Probably there will be two... The evening sun will come around again.
House design
Who is the plan by:
Idea from the internet, adapted plan created by ourselves.
All windows on the south side are floor-to-ceiling. Two patio doors: one facing east, one to the south off the dining room. Kitchen sink window has a lower window section. Another kitchen window is also floor-to-ceiling.
Other rooms (bathroom, guest WC, office, utility room) standard height.
Oh, and the kitchen island here is probably drawn too large. Actually, it would be 1 meter (3.3 feet) on the sides and 1.5 meters (5 feet) facing the kitchen counter.
What do you particularly like? Why?
Bedroom on a quiet side, no neighbor.
Kitchen and living room basically part of the garden, also a corner without neighbors, facing the green.
What donât you like? Why?
Storage room too far from the kitchen, but still the best solution... And my plan is to fit as much as possible into the kitchen.
Cost estimate, somewhere between 150,000 and 220,000 (without garage and without outdoor facilities)
Preferred heating technology: not settled yet, we are currently looking into air-source heat pumps.
If you had to give up something, which details/extras
- could you live without:
- could you not live without:
Bedroom, living, and kitchen must face the green side...
Fireplace must be included,
2 childrenâs rooms,
Bathtub must be included...
I could maybe do without a second patio door? And kitchen layout, Iâm still open.
Looking forward to your suggestions and feedback.
I hope for constructive, respectful criticism.
we have a building plot and everything is still possible.
Of course, we have wishes and ideas.
Just like people are different, we all build our houses differently...
Iâm interested in how you would approach having two sides, namely the east and south sides, facing a green area: but with a tree preservation and planting requirement on the south side...
And you want to be part of this garden...
Here are the facts as suggested by the moderation:
Plot size 1159 sqm (12,470 sq ft)
No slope, only a slight incline along a ditch, but itâs on the building boundary anyway. With trees and planting according to the development plan on the long side, where a tree already stands. Building boundary on the long side 6 meters (20 feet). The rest 3 meters (10 feet).
Floor area ratio known only as a percentage: 60% may be built on.
Plot ratio unknown at the moment, definitely ridge height 12 meters (39 feet). Surrounding buildings are mostly one and a half stories, and bungalows are planned. There are practically no restrictions.
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development, only known after consulting authorities, our plan fits...
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 1 (1.5 floors would also be conceivable)
Roof shape gable roof.
Style simple bungalow
Orientation? See plan.
Maximum heights/restrictions
Other requirements are met.
2 neighbors.
One on the north side and one on the west side, but only on a small section.
The rest of the west side is the access driveway.
Client requirements
We have no particular style preference; for us, the important thing is that we found a nice building plot in this location at all and that we focus more on a reasonable budget, finding an affordable mortgage payment, and being able to live well in the long term.
Household of 4 people, visitors 3-5 (at once) at least 4 weekends per year... We have a caravan that is used as an extra bedroom for us.
An office and workspace would be very advantageous for us as technology and craft enthusiasts.
Sufficient space on a small footprint.
The living area could also be open up to the roof... Or have a ceiling like the other rooms. But no exact idea yet... The structural engineering should be feasible, but itâs not yet decided what budget we want to allocate to that...
Whether conservative or modern... Iâd say a healthy mix. In any case, with
an open kitchen, a small kitchen island (not a must) but reasonable storage space in the kitchen. As a mom, I want to be part of the busy life, and I can no longer imagine having a separate kitchen.
A basement is not essential.
Double garage planned. Possibly a carport.
Number of dining seats: 6 definitely, 8 would be great.
A fireplace is planned.
Wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
1. Room layout:
Bedroom on the long side, as thatâs the quiet green side. The kitchen and living room should be basically part of the garden.
The kitchen has morning and evening sun.
The entrance is at the front because we decided that a side entrance near the neighborâfor example: getting out of the car and around the corner, behind the houseâis too far away for us, and the front facing the street would otherwise only have a window for the utility room...
Terrace location still open. Probably there will be two... The evening sun will come around again.
House design
Who is the plan by:
Idea from the internet, adapted plan created by ourselves.
All windows on the south side are floor-to-ceiling. Two patio doors: one facing east, one to the south off the dining room. Kitchen sink window has a lower window section. Another kitchen window is also floor-to-ceiling.
Other rooms (bathroom, guest WC, office, utility room) standard height.
Oh, and the kitchen island here is probably drawn too large. Actually, it would be 1 meter (3.3 feet) on the sides and 1.5 meters (5 feet) facing the kitchen counter.
What do you particularly like? Why?
Bedroom on a quiet side, no neighbor.
Kitchen and living room basically part of the garden, also a corner without neighbors, facing the green.
What donât you like? Why?
Storage room too far from the kitchen, but still the best solution... And my plan is to fit as much as possible into the kitchen.
Cost estimate, somewhere between 150,000 and 220,000 (without garage and without outdoor facilities)
Preferred heating technology: not settled yet, we are currently looking into air-source heat pumps.
If you had to give up something, which details/extras
- could you live without:
- could you not live without:
Bedroom, living, and kitchen must face the green side...
Fireplace must be included,
2 childrenâs rooms,
Bathtub must be included...
I could maybe do without a second patio door? And kitchen layout, Iâm still open.
Looking forward to your suggestions and feedback.
I hope for constructive, respectful criticism.
A quick question for the bungalow residents:
What is the width of your hallway, and is it okay for you?
Mine is only 1.20 m (3 feet 11 inches) wideâI unfortunately canât make it any wider. :-(
The length is 6.5 m (21 feet 4 inches).
Thanks for the information. Photos are welcome too.
What is the width of your hallway, and is it okay for you?
Mine is only 1.20 m (3 feet 11 inches) wideâI unfortunately canât make it any wider. :-(
The length is 6.5 m (21 feet 4 inches).
Thanks for the information. Photos are welcome too.
Grit Stephan schrieb:
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And a second mistake that many people make here: not sticking to their own plan.
Like, for example, "You only build once," and then spending a bit more here and a bit more there...This is reflected in your comments like "would prefer a bungalow," "looking out onto greenery, -> east, south," etc. [emoji6]
These are statements that often make the build more expensive or have the potential to do so. Since I canât quote everything in Tapatalk, Iâll just recall what stuck with me in the text.
And thatâs how it is: a bungalow is indeed nice and practical, but also more expensive than a one-story house with an attic conversion. And although I donât know the exact building location and prefer to stay somewhat out of regional discussions, I must/can say:
A) The building plot is too small for an (efficient) bungalow.
B) If a bungalow is to be built, it will only be a custom-designed architectâs house, which must be planned very skillfully and will not come cheap!
There are also some of your conditions, like "beautifully integrating into the greenery." I would say itâs up to you to landscape every corner of the plot so that greenery can be seen from any window. Therefore, you shouldnât limit yourself with a difficult plot by adding constraints to an average building depth of 5 meters (16 feet). Of course, everyone wants the optimum, but here you often canât build differently than whatâs possible. [emoji6]
Every corner of the plot is worth appreciating. For example, the north side could be used to store garbage bins, the east might hold a greenhouse, and the west can become a barbecue area and a terrace for sunset views.
Regarding the entrance area, 1.20 meters (3 feet 11 inches) is too narrow. Coming from an apartment and an end-terrace house, Iâm not exactly used to luxury. 1.20 meters (3 feet 11 inches) just fits a 1-meter (3 feet 3 inches) wide entrance door with no sidelights! Itâs not enough space to spread out and feel comfortable. I would be annoyed to have to enter such a house every day.
Thatâs about the hallway.
You might think that itâs impossible to avoid lining up rooms one after another. If thatâs the case, then this drawback should be highlighted as a feature.
I sketched a layout once. When no exact measurements are provided by the original poster, you have to work with sketches and estimates. Thatâs what I did, and the result was not what I or others here expected. The building plot definitely doesnât fit into the âcost-effectiveâ category. Building with an attic conversion is more effective and â honestly â not bad for living in.
Regarding the cost inquiries: turnkey nowadays usually means a delivery excluding floor coverings and painting. A shell construction excludes plaster and screed, as well as technical installations. Since you mentioned "water connections and electrical wiring," I assume the offer you have is for a âtechnical finish.â This means a closed shell with technical systems, including heating. Everything else would then be your responsibility. This could include external plaster and many other things, but there is a lack of detailed information here. And yes, this can easily mean an additional cost of over 50,000 euros in your area.
Connection fees for water, electricity, and gas are added separately and are usually calculated with the service provider as part of additional construction costs, which also include earthworks, etc. Surely I forgot some important cost components...
Below is your building plot visualized in a sketch according to the site plan information. I also sketched a possible layout, but note that some parts of it extend beyond the building plot (to the south), which should definitely be submitted by an architect with both rhetorical and technical skills.
That reminds me that you mentioned elsewhere (regarding the building application) that you are following the zoning plan and donât need a permit. I see this very differently here, as every plot boundary transgression will be contested.
Attachment coming up...
@Nordlys
All well and good, but kitchens and blinds are _not_ part of additional construction costs, please. These belong to personal furnishings, as do lighting fixtures. Built-in lights may be an exception...
Outdoor landscaping is also a separate item.
For the bankâs calculations:
Land
House
Additional construction costs
Landscaping
Garage/carport
Everything else needs to be precisely budgeted:
Furniture, kitchen, lighting, incidental purchase costs
Grit Stephan1 May 2018 02:07ypg schrieb:
What is reflected in your comments like "would like a bungalow," "looking out onto greenery, -> east, south," etc. [emoji6]
These are already statements that can make the construction more expensive or potentially increase costs.
... ...If you donât stick to your plan. I already wrote about that. Our plan is not finalized yet. And if the plan beforehand already determines that the bungalow would be too expensive overall, then we wouldnât build it either...Or I also mentioned that we would accept an additional cost for a bungalow if we find the right solution...
And yes, the building boundary is a challenge, I only said that our house cannot be moved much further back or downward.
However, exceeding the boundary is still possible depending on the overall project. Since the bungalow might fit well with the other planned houses and the municipality might possibly "cooperate." But I donât want to inquire with the authorities if itâs not even decided on our side yet whether we want to build this bungalow or another type of house. Or whether any boundary overrun would occur and, if so, to what extent.
And the view of the greenery does not refer only to the garden but a wider area.
We also considered planning the bedrooms facing north, which might offer other options, including for the hallway. We have "explored" these possibilities.
But I was hoping that through this forum, additional ideas would come together, allowing us to move forward with our bungalow plan and implement some of my ideas.
And ultimately, I donât have to take a standard house from a "large" home builder, where every change costs extra. Even with architects or general contractors including their own architects, a bungalow can be built within a normal price range. That is what needs to be explored...
And maybe also in the style you sketched as an L-shaped bungalow. Of course, I would try to avoid any boundary overrun as much as possible.
But unfortunately, you also came to the conclusion that the room layout with my requirements is not so easy to implement.
haydee schrieb:
Why choose a bungalow instead of a one-and-a-half-story house? That would be possible, and even more. I have now received the zoning plan via private message and can hardly believe it â the parameters are really generous: site coverage ratio 0.6 / floor space index 1.2 / eaves height 11 m (36 feet) above an adjacent street as the reference level. Thanks to the size of the plot, a two-story house with a steeply pitched roof would even be allowed.
haydee schrieb:
Why not build an L-shaped bungalow?
Something like the Kern-Haus Balance? Rotated 90 degrees. Larger open living area and bigger windows facing the undeveloped field. Yes, or mirrored north/south.
Or also this:
ypg schrieb:
I sketched a possible layout as well, So there are now several alternatives being discussed. This clearly shows how the proportions settle when you place the corridor more centrally instead of arranging everything except the auxiliary rooms facing south in a row.
ypg schrieb:
but with corners outside the building envelope (to the south), which absolutely should be submitted by an architect with rhetorical and professional skills. [...] because every encroachment on the boundaries must be fought for. In this particular case, no â this zoning plan is really a dream: bay windows, corners, and so on may extend up to one and a half meters (5 feet) beyond the building boundaries without a big fuss.
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Grit Stephan1 May 2018 02:2811ant schrieb:
That would be possible, and even more. .Thank you very much for your efforts.
I'm really happy that you are so interested in my request.
Now I just need the perfect solution from you :* that meets my ideas and also makes my Stephan happy, because although he agrees with my ideas, the issue with the hallway and that proportion... isnât quite settled yet, so we havenât said, yes, this is how weâll build it.
Grit Stephan schrieb:
Not everything is finalized yet to say, yes, this is how we will build. This realization is already quite valuable. You regularly encounter homeowners in forumsâany resemblance to this one is purely coincidentalâwho are convinced they are just a hairâs breadth away from the ultimate solution, even if there is still a long way to go.
Would you like to share your attempts at building an angled bungalow (even if they are unfinished)?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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