ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
No guest bathroom??? For 6 people??? Even without guests, I wouldn’t want to do without a third toilet... just imagine if one of you has diarrhea.
Or both bathrooms are occupied, someone is bathing upstairs, your wife is showering downstairs, and you urgently need a longer session – good luck!
And please don’t use the argument: "We have it like this now, it works!" You are building a house, and it should be better than "it works."
In the past, people used to wash themselves in the kitchen, even with 7 children, and that worked too. Just saying.
You’re spending a lot of money, so living in your house should be on a whole different level compared to a 90sqm (970 sqft) apartment.
Or both bathrooms are occupied, someone is bathing upstairs, your wife is showering downstairs, and you urgently need a longer session – good luck!
And please don’t use the argument: "We have it like this now, it works!" You are building a house, and it should be better than "it works."
In the past, people used to wash themselves in the kitchen, even with 7 children, and that worked too. Just saying.
You’re spending a lot of money, so living in your house should be on a whole different level compared to a 90sqm (970 sqft) apartment.
We went with a shed dormer because a stair landing would have required a wider house. But that’s not possible in your case, right?
As for the later conversion... I’m not so sure.
The plasterer and screed installer strongly advised against it because of all the mess involved. We decided to skip the screed on the top floor since otherwise, underfloor heating would have been necessary right away. However, we had the plastering done immediately because the small area would probably make it hard to find a contractor later. Any required insulation between the rafters can’t be added as an afterthought either. To prevent heat loss through the bare concrete ceiling and to better contain dust, we also installed some styrofoam insulation and OSB boards on the floor.
On the other hand, the basement is completely finished, and I’m really glad about that—I have no idea if I would feel like doing all that work in five years. At the moment, I just want to be done with construction issues.
As for the later conversion... I’m not so sure.
The plasterer and screed installer strongly advised against it because of all the mess involved. We decided to skip the screed on the top floor since otherwise, underfloor heating would have been necessary right away. However, we had the plastering done immediately because the small area would probably make it hard to find a contractor later. Any required insulation between the rafters can’t be added as an afterthought either. To prevent heat loss through the bare concrete ceiling and to better contain dust, we also installed some styrofoam insulation and OSB boards on the floor.
On the other hand, the basement is completely finished, and I’m really glad about that—I have no idea if I would feel like doing all that work in five years. At the moment, I just want to be done with construction issues.
Climbee schrieb:
And please, not the argument: we do it that way too, so it’s POSSIBLE!
You are building, and it should be better than just “possible.” Sure, that would be nice, but I see the MONEY issue far more than any other. Three staircases still need to be paid for... you just have to make cuts somewhere.
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Johannes L27 Apr 2018 15:23Hello everyone,
Still a lot of active participation. I really like that!
@katja: Thanks for the little update.
@haydee: The 400-450 is purely for the house. The plot has already been paid for.
@Maria: In our written regulations it says: "Roof structures, cross gables, and roof overhangs (eaves and verge overhangs) are not allowed. Exceptions are installations for solar energy use." I think that rules out the shed dormer. Underfloor heating in the attic is already planned. What I’m still unsure about is whether the intermediate ceiling between the upper floor and attic has to be concrete or if a wooden ceiling is also sufficient. The insulation will be done all around, including the basement and attic. For the basement, I see it more as never being finished. It’s just for laundry, storage, technical equipment, workshop, and basically as a utility room. So I don’t really need it to look nice. As mentioned, it won’t have windows either.
@haydee: The plot needs to be raised by 1.2 m (4 feet). Therefore, the excavation for the basement is just right to make the adjustment. We certainly won’t need to transport anything away; if anything, we might have to bring in some soil.
Best regards
Johannes
Still a lot of active participation. I really like that!
@katja: Thanks for the little update.
@haydee: The 400-450 is purely for the house. The plot has already been paid for.
@Maria: In our written regulations it says: "Roof structures, cross gables, and roof overhangs (eaves and verge overhangs) are not allowed. Exceptions are installations for solar energy use." I think that rules out the shed dormer. Underfloor heating in the attic is already planned. What I’m still unsure about is whether the intermediate ceiling between the upper floor and attic has to be concrete or if a wooden ceiling is also sufficient. The insulation will be done all around, including the basement and attic. For the basement, I see it more as never being finished. It’s just for laundry, storage, technical equipment, workshop, and basically as a utility room. So I don’t really need it to look nice. As mentioned, it won’t have windows either.
@haydee: The plot needs to be raised by 1.2 m (4 feet). Therefore, the excavation for the basement is just right to make the adjustment. We certainly won’t need to transport anything away; if anything, we might have to bring in some soil.
Best regards
Johannes
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