ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
... and precisely because of the issue with the staircase to the attic, the staircase position is fundamentally wrong.
Side entrance, staircase more central, guest toilet and a large cloakroom... that’s where it starts.
The windows are too small and also not well arranged.
The usable area is excessively large, two offices?
Meanwhile, the living room and multi-purpose room are too small.
All six family members should have a seat on the sofa, right?
Side entrance, staircase more central, guest toilet and a large cloakroom... that’s where it starts.
The windows are too small and also not well arranged.
The usable area is excessively large, two offices?
Meanwhile, the living room and multi-purpose room are too small.
All six family members should have a seat on the sofa, right?
ypg schrieb:
... and precisely because of the issue with the staircase to the attic, the staircase position is fundamentally wrong.
Entrance on the side, staircase more centered, guest toilet and a large wardrobe... that’s where it should start.
The windows are too small... and also not arranged well.
The usable area is completely oversized, two offices?
Meanwhile, the living room and open-plan area are too small.
All six family members should have a place on the sofa, right?If by “more centered” you mean placing the staircase, for example, where the bathroom is now but still along the outer wall: it won’t make a difference upstairs.
We had a similar staircase problem, and the architect suggested these possible solutions:
- Landing staircase (this allows for reasonable headroom in the inner part of the stairs despite the sloping roof, but it still won’t be for someone over about 2 meters (6 ft 7 in) tall)
- Staircase moved away from the outer wall
but this creates rooms between the outer wall and the staircase
- Staircase placed fully against the ridge wall
Would you consider moving the bedroom to the attic and assigning the previously planned attic bedroom to the main floor? If at some point a bedroom on the ground floor is needed, you could “simply” add a partition wall.
Here is a draft. However, I didn’t quite manage to keep it at 12m (39 feet 4 inches), but ended up at 12.35m (40 feet 6 inches). The main reason is the wardrobe—I included a 3m (10 feet) long closet with a depth of 45cm (18 inches), which matches the depth of mine. You definitely need that for six people.
The couches in the living room are each 2.5m (8 feet 2 inches) wide so everyone has space, and there’s an additional recliner for Dad.
The dining table is 2m (6 feet 6 inches) long — comfortably fits everyone.
The lighting orientation is probably not ideal here. I can only get the southern sun partially into the living area. Reflecting the light is questionable—then the living space would face the street and away from the garden.
Let’s see if others have more ideas.
Oh, and I mostly left out the windows out of laziness. The staircase as always has no landing! (Program limitation). The bathroom drainage isn’t clear yet either. Maybe the office and bathroom will be swapped and drainage done in the downstairs hallway.
The couches in the living room are each 2.5m (8 feet 2 inches) wide so everyone has space, and there’s an additional recliner for Dad.
The dining table is 2m (6 feet 6 inches) long — comfortably fits everyone.
The lighting orientation is probably not ideal here. I can only get the southern sun partially into the living area. Reflecting the light is questionable—then the living space would face the street and away from the garden.
Let’s see if others have more ideas.
Oh, and I mostly left out the windows out of laziness. The staircase as always has no landing! (Program limitation). The bathroom drainage isn’t clear yet either. Maybe the office and bathroom will be swapped and drainage done in the downstairs hallway.
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Johannes L27 Apr 2018 12:38Hello again,
Thank you very much for the active participation in the discussion.
@haydee: The cloakroom is planned behind the door in the recess and the laundry chute is also included (the circle in the bathroom next to the sink).
@ypg: A side entrance is possible, as is a large cloakroom, but we don’t need a guest toilet. You find the windows too small and not nicely arranged. I can’t quite understand that. Two offices are required because I work a lot from home (like today) and my wife would like a room that she can lock. Neither needs to be large, but they should definitely be there.
@Maria: Which staircase option did you choose? Having the bedroom upstairs is of course possible, but actually, we wanted to finish the attic later (also for cost reasons) and use it as a playroom for the children. Adding a wall afterward is definitely a good idea.
@katja: Very cool, thanks for your designs. The width of 12m (39 feet) is fixed because of the building boundary. Basically, I really like it and if necessary, I could live with a bedroom facing the street. If you have a good mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery, the issue with open windows shouldn’t matter much anyway. What I don’t understand is what the problem with the bathroom drainage is.
...and would the staircase to the attic also work (Maria’s issue)?
Best regards
Johannes
Thank you very much for the active participation in the discussion.
@haydee: The cloakroom is planned behind the door in the recess and the laundry chute is also included (the circle in the bathroom next to the sink).
@ypg: A side entrance is possible, as is a large cloakroom, but we don’t need a guest toilet. You find the windows too small and not nicely arranged. I can’t quite understand that. Two offices are required because I work a lot from home (like today) and my wife would like a room that she can lock. Neither needs to be large, but they should definitely be there.
@Maria: Which staircase option did you choose? Having the bedroom upstairs is of course possible, but actually, we wanted to finish the attic later (also for cost reasons) and use it as a playroom for the children. Adding a wall afterward is definitely a good idea.
@katja: Very cool, thanks for your designs. The width of 12m (39 feet) is fixed because of the building boundary. Basically, I really like it and if necessary, I could live with a bedroom facing the street. If you have a good mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery, the issue with open windows shouldn’t matter much anyway. What I don’t understand is what the problem with the bathroom drainage is.
...and would the staircase to the attic also work (Maria’s issue)?
Best regards
Johannes
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j.bautsch27 Apr 2018 12:42The bathrooms would then be stacked vertically, which makes drainage easier. The pipes would not run through the living room.
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