ᐅ Final stage floor plan: Is there still potential for improvement?
Created on: 16 Apr 2018 22:14
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Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 606m² (6519 sq ft)
Slope: slight north-facing slope (3m (10 ft) over 34m (112 ft) length)
House: south-north = 1m (3 ft) height difference
Site occupancy index: 0.35 (212m² (2282 sq ft))
Floor area ratio: 0.40 (242m² (2605 sq ft))
Building envelope: marked in blue (approx. 11.8 x 14.5m (39 x 48 ft))
Boundary construction allowed: no
Parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: two full stories: ground floor + upper floor
Roof type: 38–42° (degrees) gable roof
Architectural style: traditional
Ridge orientation: south-north
Maximum heights / limits: northern eave-side wall height above natural ground level: 3.80m (12 ft 6 in)
Additional requirements: knee wall height from top of raw floor slab to bottom of wall plate 0.50m (70cm / 1 ft 8 in approx. inside)
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: all according to development plan
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 28 (female), 30 (male), plus at least 1 planned child
Space needs in basement: hobby room, utility room, pantry/storage, sauna planned later
Space needs on ground floor: living room, dining + kitchen, WC, hallway
Space needs on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, child 1 + child 2, hallway, bathroom
Office: home office!
Overnight guests per year: 3 guests at Easter and Christmas
Closed architecture
Conservative construction style
Open kitchen connected to dining room
Number of dining seats: 5
Living room fireplace: wall-mounted ethanol fireplace
Music / stereo wall: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage or carport: single or double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other: hallway large enough to bring in and temporarily park a stroller, e.g., when it’s raining outside; staircase with 1m (3 ft 3 in) wide steps and easy to walk on (hence double landings); living room at least 4.5m (15 ft) wide; no direct connection between parents’ and children’s bedrooms; stairway not located in entryway dirt area; all interior doors with 985mm (39 in) clear opening; dining room: lift-and-slide door with 3m (10 ft) width
House Design
- Designer: do-it-yourself
- What do you particularly like about it? Why?
Double-landing staircase, kitchen and dining area facing south, circulation area on the north-east side; large glass window in dining room facing garden, G-shaped kitchen, enlargement of children’s rooms with dormer windows; hallway hopefully spacious-looking even though it could be a little wider
- What do you dislike? Why?
No room for a urinal in the ground floor bathroom
Basement not yet well planned, unsure how to properly separate a future sauna room
Personal budget limit for house including equipment: €425,000
- Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump / ground loop collector + mechanical ventilation with heat recovery + underfloor heating
If You Have to Give Up Anything, on which details / features
- Could give up: exposed roof structure
- Cannot give up: shower in ground floor WC; staircase with straight steps; stairway outside the dirt zone; wardrobe
Why is the Design Like It Is?
Lots of reading layout reviews here, input from builder friends; about 100 hours of drawing floor plans
- What makes it especially good or bad in your view?
In our opinion, very efficient use of space in a relatively small house, pleasant hallway layout
What Is the Most Important / Basic Question About the Floor Plan Summarized in 130 Characters?
Is this floor plan practical?
Are there any major issues or deal-breakers we might have overlooked?
Attached are our own drawings from SketchUp / site plan from the development plan
Our plot is number [9]
Note: Unfortunately, windows are missing on the upper floor. There are planned windows on the gable ends sized 150 x 138cm (59 x 54 in), dormer windows each approx. 200 x 138cm (79 x 54 in), and in the stairwell, master bedroom, and bathroom an additional double casement window sized 78 x 160cm (31 x 63 in)
Plot size: 606m² (6519 sq ft)
Slope: slight north-facing slope (3m (10 ft) over 34m (112 ft) length)
House: south-north = 1m (3 ft) height difference
Site occupancy index: 0.35 (212m² (2282 sq ft))
Floor area ratio: 0.40 (242m² (2605 sq ft))
Building envelope: marked in blue (approx. 11.8 x 14.5m (39 x 48 ft))
Boundary construction allowed: no
Parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: two full stories: ground floor + upper floor
Roof type: 38–42° (degrees) gable roof
Architectural style: traditional
Ridge orientation: south-north
Maximum heights / limits: northern eave-side wall height above natural ground level: 3.80m (12 ft 6 in)
Additional requirements: knee wall height from top of raw floor slab to bottom of wall plate 0.50m (70cm / 1 ft 8 in approx. inside)
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: all according to development plan
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 28 (female), 30 (male), plus at least 1 planned child
Space needs in basement: hobby room, utility room, pantry/storage, sauna planned later
Space needs on ground floor: living room, dining + kitchen, WC, hallway
Space needs on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, child 1 + child 2, hallway, bathroom
Office: home office!
Overnight guests per year: 3 guests at Easter and Christmas
Closed architecture
Conservative construction style
Open kitchen connected to dining room
Number of dining seats: 5
Living room fireplace: wall-mounted ethanol fireplace
Music / stereo wall: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage or carport: single or double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other: hallway large enough to bring in and temporarily park a stroller, e.g., when it’s raining outside; staircase with 1m (3 ft 3 in) wide steps and easy to walk on (hence double landings); living room at least 4.5m (15 ft) wide; no direct connection between parents’ and children’s bedrooms; stairway not located in entryway dirt area; all interior doors with 985mm (39 in) clear opening; dining room: lift-and-slide door with 3m (10 ft) width
House Design
- Designer: do-it-yourself
- What do you particularly like about it? Why?
Double-landing staircase, kitchen and dining area facing south, circulation area on the north-east side; large glass window in dining room facing garden, G-shaped kitchen, enlargement of children’s rooms with dormer windows; hallway hopefully spacious-looking even though it could be a little wider
- What do you dislike? Why?
No room for a urinal in the ground floor bathroom
Basement not yet well planned, unsure how to properly separate a future sauna room
Personal budget limit for house including equipment: €425,000
- Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump / ground loop collector + mechanical ventilation with heat recovery + underfloor heating
If You Have to Give Up Anything, on which details / features
- Could give up: exposed roof structure
- Cannot give up: shower in ground floor WC; staircase with straight steps; stairway outside the dirt zone; wardrobe
Why is the Design Like It Is?
Lots of reading layout reviews here, input from builder friends; about 100 hours of drawing floor plans
- What makes it especially good or bad in your view?
In our opinion, very efficient use of space in a relatively small house, pleasant hallway layout
What Is the Most Important / Basic Question About the Floor Plan Summarized in 130 Characters?
Is this floor plan practical?
Are there any major issues or deal-breakers we might have overlooked?
Attached are our own drawings from SketchUp / site plan from the development plan
Our plot is number [9]
Note: Unfortunately, windows are missing on the upper floor. There are planned windows on the gable ends sized 150 x 138cm (59 x 54 in), dormer windows each approx. 200 x 138cm (79 x 54 in), and in the stairwell, master bedroom, and bathroom an additional double casement window sized 78 x 160cm (31 x 63 in)
Climbee schrieb:
Your and my taste in doors differ greatly *ugh*.*rolling on the floor* Thanks for that cheerful "ugh" in the morning! Day saved.
Climbee schrieb:
If the walk-in closet has a gable, then I would definitely place the seating area on the other side and have the wardrobe run along the entire length of the wall. Do you mean like this?
Idealstandard
Wow, lots of information again, great!
First of all: finished exterior walls are 344.5mm (14 inches) and the interior walls are 172mm (7 inches) thick (load-bearing).
A 3-panel sliding door is a brilliant idea; we’ll see what we can find. But it must not be made of aluminum and glass.
We also already tried having the third gable only in the walk-in closet. It looks very attractive from the outside, but it wastes quite a bit of space in the relatively small children's rooms. And from the front view of the house, I can hardly tell whether the gables are aligned or staggered.
Please don’t forget that we have a finished knee wall without a dormer of about 60-70cm (24-28 inches) depending on how high the carpenters can install the ridge beam, and only from 1.44m (4 ft 9 in) upwards there is a full 2m (6 ft 7 in) room height available.
Thanks Kaho for your effort with the redraw. Brilliant! I also really like the upper floor, but I have a few small comments:
It should be quite difficult to get a couch into K1 / K2. We actually want to avoid having a wardrobe in the bedroom as much as possible. The windows upstairs should not be floor-to-ceiling. I also believe their positions won’t work with the actual roof slope. Roof windows instead of larger gables will obviously be somewhat cheaper.
Regarding the windows on the ground floor:
One side in the dining room should have a fixed window 2.35m x 2.30m (7 ft 9 in x 7 ft 7 in).
On the kitchen side, there should be a 3m (10 ft) wide lift-and-slide door with a 1.5m (5 ft) fixed panel.
We originally had kitchen windows 2m (6 ft 7 in) wide each, but then we couldn’t fit high cabinets in the kitchen anymore, so the window on the front door side was made smaller.
In the living room, a couch arrangement with one part turned 90 degrees to the TV is an absolute no-go. We rarely have guests, so that would just be a dead section. Our current couch dimensions are: width/height/depth: 283/73/143 cm (112/29/56 inches).
Also, I’m not sure how good it is to watch TV in the evening after work with the sun coming from behind you onto the screen. On the other hand, during the weekend there’s nice daylight to read on the couch (my partner does this a lot).
Rooms where you can see the seating position directly from the door are usually perceived as less cozy/comfortable. How wide is the hallway downstairs at your place? It seems quite narrow to me. Better to try to make the bathroom run the entire length instead.
Attached is a photo of how we currently have the living room (terrible with the window behind the TV). The distance from the left to right subwoofer is 4.5m (14 ft 9 in). It could be squeezed to 4m (13 ft), but that’s already the maximum. So, in the floor plan, we are missing a few centimeters everywhere.
About the kitchen island:
Would that mean the window on one side of the kitchen would be completely gone?
@kaho674
Would you be so kind to tell me which 3D program you use? SketchUp always takes forever for me.
First of all: finished exterior walls are 344.5mm (14 inches) and the interior walls are 172mm (7 inches) thick (load-bearing).
A 3-panel sliding door is a brilliant idea; we’ll see what we can find. But it must not be made of aluminum and glass.
We also already tried having the third gable only in the walk-in closet. It looks very attractive from the outside, but it wastes quite a bit of space in the relatively small children's rooms. And from the front view of the house, I can hardly tell whether the gables are aligned or staggered.
Please don’t forget that we have a finished knee wall without a dormer of about 60-70cm (24-28 inches) depending on how high the carpenters can install the ridge beam, and only from 1.44m (4 ft 9 in) upwards there is a full 2m (6 ft 7 in) room height available.
Thanks Kaho for your effort with the redraw. Brilliant! I also really like the upper floor, but I have a few small comments:
It should be quite difficult to get a couch into K1 / K2. We actually want to avoid having a wardrobe in the bedroom as much as possible. The windows upstairs should not be floor-to-ceiling. I also believe their positions won’t work with the actual roof slope. Roof windows instead of larger gables will obviously be somewhat cheaper.
Regarding the windows on the ground floor:
One side in the dining room should have a fixed window 2.35m x 2.30m (7 ft 9 in x 7 ft 7 in).
On the kitchen side, there should be a 3m (10 ft) wide lift-and-slide door with a 1.5m (5 ft) fixed panel.
We originally had kitchen windows 2m (6 ft 7 in) wide each, but then we couldn’t fit high cabinets in the kitchen anymore, so the window on the front door side was made smaller.
In the living room, a couch arrangement with one part turned 90 degrees to the TV is an absolute no-go. We rarely have guests, so that would just be a dead section. Our current couch dimensions are: width/height/depth: 283/73/143 cm (112/29/56 inches).
Also, I’m not sure how good it is to watch TV in the evening after work with the sun coming from behind you onto the screen. On the other hand, during the weekend there’s nice daylight to read on the couch (my partner does this a lot).
Rooms where you can see the seating position directly from the door are usually perceived as less cozy/comfortable. How wide is the hallway downstairs at your place? It seems quite narrow to me. Better to try to make the bathroom run the entire length instead.
Attached is a photo of how we currently have the living room (terrible with the window behind the TV). The distance from the left to right subwoofer is 4.5m (14 ft 9 in). It could be squeezed to 4m (13 ft), but that’s already the maximum. So, in the floor plan, we are missing a few centimeters everywhere.
About the kitchen island:
Would that mean the window on one side of the kitchen would be completely gone?
@kaho674
Would you be so kind to tell me which 3D program you use? SketchUp always takes forever for me.
modder schrieb:
about the kitchen island:
then the window on one side of the kitchen would completely disappear?I prefer a patio door between the two kitchen work areas so you can quickly step outside to the herb garden or compost.
I haven’t followed everything in detail, but I came across the statement that the children's rooms become larger due to (half) dormers. Obviously, the area is mathematically larger. But what exactly can reasonably fit in the dormer? It’s not just about square meters but especially about the arrangement and usability of furniture.
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