ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Maria16 schrieb:
At that point, the floor plan is fixed for the original poster and they won't be open to any other arguments.That was already the case from the beginning: a 90-degree rotation of the roof but no revision of the floor plan—whether that makes sense or not. But this "I actually want it different, but it shouldn’t be changed" doesn’t lead to a productive discussion.
Nordlys schrieb:
Sometimes there is also a kind of reluctant refusal without fully knowing why... sometimes you just have to let it sink in.Exactly—that’s how it is. I don’t see that the original poster is letting anything sink in—I only notice a "don’t want to."
Maria16 schrieb:
Wasn’t that in combination with a pass-through window to the living room? Honestly, if you put up a wall there, have the kitchen accessed via the hallway, and there are still complaints about odors, then there’s no point in continuing this conversation.Yes. But honestly? Combined with a door to the room, odors (I prefer to call them scents, as long as they come from the kitchen) will always spread to the rest of the house. No idea if high-tech Bora ventilation can counter that. I don’t have one myself because I don’t see the balance of benefits to cost. Mind you: in our house, you can still smell fish or fried food for up to 2 hours. My guests enjoy entering the house and noticing those pleasant aromas. When doing the dishes (pots and knives), we just open windows briefly for about a minute—that works.
A kitchen door in front of the stairs naturally makes the original poster’s whole thinking very reasonable.
By the way, from the outside, I find the house quite charming.
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pffreestyler2 Apr 2018 13:33I was actually referring to odors in relation to a pass-through. What I did forget to mention, which might make my position a bit unclear for you, is that I am concerned that an additional window in the utility room would take up too much space for my ideas. However, this concern could be addressed by using a different window shape. The same would apply to the bedroom, as this way, not everyone would be able to see directly into it at first glance. We could also imagine not using a rectangular window but rather a flat, elongated one. That way, the bed, shelf, or something similar could still fit under the window. If such a window is on both sides, it also looks visually balanced.
This would also allow the staircase to have not just a straight run but a slight turn.
This would also allow the staircase to have not just a straight run but a slight turn.
Why don’t you consider making the utility room accessible from the hallway? The kitchen would benefit from more usable space and wouldn’t be the central point for laundry activities. Also, this would eliminate the kitchen’s current role as a passageway to the second hallway. Access to the utility room, kitchen door, and then the hallway…
This way, odors won’t immediately spread into the utility room and onto the freshly washed laundry.
This way, odors won’t immediately spread into the utility room and onto the freshly washed laundry.
Nordlys schrieb:
A laundry room and pantry connected to the kitchen and dining area make ergonomic sense.But not if the utility room also serves as an entrance. That turns the kitchen into everything except a cozy spot.
This is the same as when a homeowner says: I’m planning on lower mortgage repayments, and all leftover money will go towards extra payments. Also, the landscaping will be done later with the money that comes in. Little by little... oh, and we’ll do everything eventually anyway. All unplanned shortfalls fall on a bit of Christmas bonus money.
The same will happen here with the kitchen: combining the utility room with the kitchen—how convenient. The housewife can just stay in her corner. Entrance? We’ll have it through the utility room. Eating? It smells, so preferably in the kitchen. Hello? Maybe the kitchen should then be given 20 to 25 square meters (215 to 270 square feet) and the living room made smaller. That makes more sense.
The way the house is laid out here is very... unbalanced. There are friction points that ultimately don’t lead to satisfaction.
Strange... our neighbors, eksjö hus, have the back door leading into the utility room and from there into the kitchen. We at Specht Fehmarn, plus all the houses from him that I know, have the back door, utility room, kitchen layout. Kinder, Team massiv, back door, utility room, kitchen; Concept vario Ahrensbök, Stollhaus Schuby, etc., all follow this successful design. You enter, take off your shoes, and immediately stand in the kitchen where you’re offered a spot and a bottle of Holsten Edel right away. To make it cozy, my wife Yvonne, as you know, even placed a sofa in the kitchen. Karsten
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