ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Karsten, after reading your various comments across different topics, I can understand that he will pay a normal price for his bungalow. However, that doesn’t change the fact that, in my opinion, expanding the attic space with this property is inevitable once a child is born—the original poster only planned the nursery on the ground floor for the infant stage.
I just wanted to point out that the expansion would then be due at a time when finances might already be tight. It’s worth considering the risk that the expansion might not go as planned. And whether some of these issues could be minimized now by building smaller or at least redesigning the floor plan so that the proportions (hallway <-> nursery on the ground floor) roughly fit—even if, in the worst case, the child has to stay on the ground floor until the age of 10.
I just wanted to point out that the expansion would then be due at a time when finances might already be tight. It’s worth considering the risk that the expansion might not go as planned. And whether some of these issues could be minimized now by building smaller or at least redesigning the floor plan so that the proportions (hallway <-> nursery on the ground floor) roughly fit—even if, in the worst case, the child has to stay on the ground floor until the age of 10.
I would remove the children’s room and allocate the space to the bedroom and living room. The bedroom is already quite small, especially the distance from the bed to the corner.
In the first few months or even years, babies usually sleep in the parents’ bedroom.
I am a firm user of a changing table and find it well-organized in the bathroom with a faucet within reach.
I don’t like the floor plan. The downstairs feels cramped except for the large hallway with the staircase, and upstairs is just the empty attic. I don’t like the two dining areas or the location of the kitchen.
Have you tried furnishing the floor plan with your actual or desired furniture?
In the first few months or even years, babies usually sleep in the parents’ bedroom.
I am a firm user of a changing table and find it well-organized in the bathroom with a faucet within reach.
I don’t like the floor plan. The downstairs feels cramped except for the large hallway with the staircase, and upstairs is just the empty attic. I don’t like the two dining areas or the location of the kitchen.
Have you tried furnishing the floor plan with your actual or desired furniture?
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pffreestyler29 Mar 2018 15:59Nordlys schrieb:
Nobody here really understands the back entrance except those who grew up in rural Schleswig-Holstein. Not even Yvonne, who’s kind of a Hamburg native, so she’s out. Our front door is almost always locked, the back door always open. Everyone, everyone, everyone often comes in through the back door.That’s 100% true – neighbors and friends ALWAYS use the utility room entrance, which is almost never locked. I don’t know it any other way here.@Regarding windows: I totally agree with you; we need one, better two, more windows, and some of the existing ones should be larger.
@Budget: Yes, it’s tight, but the upper floor finishing and paving work will be done by ourselves and family. The budget and loan amount are based on my current income, designed so it can be managed on a single salary – very tight, but doable. That’s just the worst-case scenario. I know two acquaintances within a 10 km (6 mile) radius who built similarly sized houses with expandable ground and upper floors last year with a similar budget (about 10,000 less). This proves it’s feasible. Unfortunately, their floor plans don’t meet our preferences. But that’s not really the topic here ;P
A smaller ground floor with the upper floor fully developed from the start costs more than the current plan.
Maria16 schrieb:
I also think the hallway is poorly designed. It’s too big, the extension... no, it can be better.
Just an idea how the house could be rotated. If you put the child’s room or utility room upstairs, I think the hallway could be smaller too.We already received this suggestion from acquaintances. We rejected it because the child’s room is intended to be used initially and later as an office, and having the utility room upstairs contradicts my wish for an age-appropriate design. Plus, this plan would mean fully finishing the upper floor right away, which is more expensive.haydee schrieb:
I would remove the child’s room and give that space to the bedroom and living room.
The bedroom is really small, especially the space between the bed and the corner.
Babies usually sleep in the parents’ bedroom for the first months or even years.
I’m a firm advocate of using a changing table and find it handy to have it in the bathroom with a faucet within reach for tidiness.
I don’t like the floor plan. The downstairs feels cramped except for the large hallway with stairs, and upstairs is just an empty attic. I don’t like having two dining areas, the kitchen’s location, etc.
Have you tried furnishing the floor plan with your actual or desired furniture?I would consider that, but my girlfriend wouldn’t :P She’d be upset if I’m still working on the computer at 11 p.m. when she wants to sleep. That would cause a serious argument.@Hallway: Yes, I agree with you. I don’t like the bend near the child’s room either. How about switching the bedroom and child’s room? The staircase orientation could probably be changed to create an L shape and extend into the gap near the living room, which would also create a coat storage area under the stairs by the entrance.
We should also change the door opening in the living room, so the door opens into the living room instead of into the hallway.
What do you understand by age-appropriate design?
You can also properly place the PC in the living room.
Try drawing your bed in your bedroom. The dimensions are structural dimensions.
Maybe it would work better with a different staircase and hallway. At least if the corner is removed.
You can also properly place the PC in the living room.
Try drawing your bed in your bedroom. The dimensions are structural dimensions.
Maybe it would work better with a different staircase and hallway. At least if the corner is removed.
This should work with your exterior dimensions, I think. Unfortunately, my sketch is rotated. Don’t be confused by the numbers inside the rooms; with reasonable wall thicknesses, you’ll definitely need to adjust things a bit.
Edit: Even though it might make the hallway feel more narrow, it could be practical to place the entrance where the storage room is currently shown. The utility room could then extend across the former entrance area, or part of the current hallway could be added to the bedroom.
Edit: Even though it might make the hallway feel more narrow, it could be practical to place the entrance where the storage room is currently shown. The utility room could then extend across the former entrance area, or part of the current hallway could be added to the bedroom.
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pffreestyler29 Mar 2018 17:40haydee schrieb:
What do you mean by age-appropriate?
The PC can also be properly placed in the living room.
Try drawing your bed in your bedroom. The dimensions are shell construction sizes.
Maybe it would work better with a different staircase and hallway, especially if the corner is removed.To me, age-appropriate means that everything is accessible without having to use stairs → small office, bedroom, bathroom with a walk-in shower.
Maria16 schrieb:
I think it should fit with your external dimensions. My sketch is a bit rotated, though. Don’t be distracted by the numbers inside the rooms; with reasonable wall thicknesses, things will have to be shifted a bit.
Edit: Even if it makes the hallway look even more like a corridor, it might be a good idea to place the entrance where the storage room is currently shown. Then extend the utility room through the previous entrance, or allocate part of the current hallway to the bedroom.I like that too. The bathroom wouldn’t have a bathtub, but the shower should just fit, right? The bathtub could be added later upstairs. I would still add a door to the driveway from the utility room and connect the storage room with the utility room. The washing machine, sink, and that huge boiler for solar hot water need space. Food can be stored on shelves along the wall.I also like that the kitchen faces south, so you can keep an eye on the kids in the garden.
Is there a program where one can draw this with exact room dimensions, etc.?
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