ᐅ Is having a fireplace still practical in new construction homes today – any experiences?

Created on: 20 Mar 2018 23:34
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Hello!

My wife and I are currently in the planning phase for our single-family home and are wondering whether a fireplace still makes sense today, although we would like to have one.

To give some background: we both grew up with a fireplace and have always found it very appealing. There is just something special about a fire, and the “pleasant warmth” is great. For that reason, we always intended to install a traditional wood-burning fireplace with an open flame in our house. Specifically, we would like a real eye-catcher integrated into a wall, visible from two or three sides.

Almost every homebuilder we spoke to said that this no longer makes economic sense in modern houses and is more likely to cause overheating. However, it would be possible with all of them. Even a fireplace installation company advised against it. We are currently planning a system with an air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating throughout the house (about 155m² (1,670 sq ft)), built to KFW55 standard (timber frame). A wall-integrated fireplace would have around 8 kW output, which is far too much. If at all, they recommend installing only a small freestanding fireplace with a maximum of 2-3 kW if we absolutely want one. But we don’t like those due to their size.

Thinking it over, I see the point of these arguments. In this setup, you have a consistent indoor temperature of about 21°C (70°F). You don’t really need a fireplace anymore. The companies estimate heating costs of around 500 euros. A cubic meter of firewood costs roughly 80 euros if you buy it prepared. So, potential cost savings are almost zero. And the chimney along with the fireplace and all the accessories would cost about 8,000 to 10,000 euros. Visually, it would also never quite look how we imagine it. Without a fireplace, we wouldn’t have an intrusive edge in the rooms and could position the doors more freely.

We also had a striking experience: about a year ago, we visited friends who had recently built a house and also have a fireplace. They proudly lit it even though it was already 22°C (72°F) inside, thanks to house automation and pellet heating. Although they barely put any wood in—so the fire was mostly smoldering—the fireplace kept running at full power. After two hours, the temperature reached around 26°C (79°F), and we were sitting in T-shirts (with -10°C (14°F) outside) in the living room. Another hour later, at 29°C (84°F), just before overheating, the friends opened the windows. The takeaway: expensive heat, a poor fire that I then effectively blew out the window!

What are your experiences with or opinions on fireplaces in modern homes?

Thanks in advance!

Best regards

Steffen
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Steffen80
23 Mar 2018 13:05
@86bibo: completely missing the point... it’s not about economics...

I don’t care at all... the fireplace including purchase is obviously MUCH more expensive than the cheap boiler... my goodness... that’s not the point at all... we even buy the wood at a high price at the hardware store. Just imagine that...
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Deliverer
23 Mar 2018 13:22
Steffen80 schrieb:
@86bibo: that’s not the point here..

According to the thread title, that is exactly what it is about...
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86bibo
23 Mar 2018 13:34
In post 29, I only mentioned that from an economic or ecological perspective, it doesn’t make sense. Of course, I never wanted to deny that it can be done as a "nice-to-have." I was just strongly contradicted on this point, so I wanted to explain it in more detail. Many people justify the fireplace by "relativizing" the initial costs with the argument: "If electricity or gas prices increase, I can partially offset that with the stove." In my opinion, this does not work for 95% of houses.
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Tego12
23 Mar 2018 13:45
I’m not a fan of fireplaces in new buildings. Even in winter, the air they generate bothers me, including the added strain on your lungs. You always have to be careful with children around when the fireplace is on. Economically, they only make sense in exceptional cases, and they can spoil the appearance of your beautiful roof with an unattractive chimney outlet.

Those who enjoy making fires may see it differently.
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Steffen80
23 Mar 2018 13:54
Tego12 schrieb:
I’m not a fan of fireplaces in new builds. Even in winter, the air they produce bothers me, including the extra strain on your lungs. With kids, you always have to be careful when the fireplace is on. Economically, they only make sense in exceptional cases, and they can spoil a nice roof with an ugly chimney outlet.

Those who enjoy making fires might see it differently

Have you ever heard of external air supply? That’s standard nowadays!
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Knallkörper
23 Mar 2018 13:59
The simple "metal boxes" create a significant airflow through thermal convection, as they are specifically designed that way. This is different from masonry heaters, tiled stoves, or similar types of construction.

@Teog12: When it comes to chimney exits, it’s not just a matter of black or white: ours, for example, is clad with slate, featuring a beautiful relief of a raven worked into it.