Hello everyone,
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
S
Sondelgeher1215 Mar 2018 12:46kaho674 schrieb:
Sorry, I don’t quite understand the plot yet. How do you plan to access it with cars? The road ends a bit before the plot. Will it be extended? Or did I miss something?I see a typical cul-de-sac on the plan...
So, in my opinion, the plot can only be accessed from the northern corner...
If the garage is placed on the north side, you’ll have a very spacious south-facing terrace...
What would be important to me personally is how the whole thing will look from the outside... since the different proposals represent quite different building shapes...
The basement will probably be quite exposed on the southwest side.
This means the terrace should preferably face south, with a slope or retaining wall. Is the intention to create a true walk-out basement?
What about the upper floor: knee walls, so a nice pitched roof?
Considering the overall size in relation to costs, I imagine a large ground floor (to allow for a bedroom), a spacious living area, a basement with the option to heat a home office, and therefore a rather smaller upper floor.
Or could the children's rooms be located in the basement with terrace access to the west, with a ground floor but no upper floor? [emoji848]
For a layperson, the slope is always a challenge to evaluate correctly.
This means the terrace should preferably face south, with a slope or retaining wall. Is the intention to create a true walk-out basement?
What about the upper floor: knee walls, so a nice pitched roof?
Considering the overall size in relation to costs, I imagine a large ground floor (to allow for a bedroom), a spacious living area, a basement with the option to heat a home office, and therefore a rather smaller upper floor.
Or could the children's rooms be located in the basement with terrace access to the west, with a ground floor but no upper floor? [emoji848]
For a layperson, the slope is always a challenge to evaluate correctly.
All ground floors (GFs) naturally include upper floors (UFs), and these should always be considered together. However, the upper floors are missing.
Is the plot going to be filled or raised?
In one example, the building services are omitted because they are probably located in the basement, where a wardrobe or cloakroom can also be created.
Is the plot going to be filled or raised?
In one example, the building services are omitted because they are probably located in the basement, where a wardrobe or cloakroom can also be created.
Sondelgeher12 schrieb:
I like the architect’s design best, but I would swap the kitchen and guest room as you already suggested yourself... especially since you have such a great view of the nature reserve there, I’d prefer to have that view from the kitchen rather than from a guest room that I probably won’t use much in the first 20 years as long as I’m healthy...I was rather thinking of keeping the guest room where it is and arranging the kitchen/dining/living area in an L-shape, right? That way, the sun would be in the kitchen early in the day, not just at dawn, and there would still be light in the living room in the evening.Sondelgeher12 schrieb:
I think it’s good that the utility room is separated from all other rooms here, but I don’t know your upper floor... Have you set a budget (that could be why the basement was left out—otherwise what’s the purpose of a utility room?)
You mentioned earlier that you want to enter the house through the garage, so you might need a mix of the proposed layouts...The budget was known and still the utility room is on the ground floor ("I just put it there for now" was the explanation).Sondelgeher12 schrieb:
I see a classic hammerhead turnaround on the plan... So in my opinion, the plot can only be accessed from the northern corner...
If the garage is placed in the north, of course you get a really spacious south-facing terrace...
What’s personally important to me is the exterior look... it’s quite a different building shape with the different proposals...That’s just a dead-end street... no turning space. I thought about putting the garage on the right side of the house, right up to the boundary. That would allow for a larger south/west terrace.
ypg schrieb:
The basement will likely be quite exposed on the southwest side. That means the terrace should be more towards the south with a slope or retaining wall. Is a true daylight basement intended?
What about the upper floor: knee walls, so a nice pitched roof?
Judging by the overall size and cost, I see a large ground floor (for bedroom options) and a spacious living area, a basement with potential for heating an office? And with costs in mind, rather a smaller upper floor.
Or could you have the children’s rooms in the basement with terrace access to the west, ground floor only, and no upper floor? [emoji848]
Slopes are always tricky for a layperson to properly assess.We wanted to use the excavated soil to build up the site with L-shaped retaining walls, for example. A daylight basement was not planned. Knee walls are not an option, we are thinking of two full floors. No upper floor is like no basement.kbt09 schrieb:
All ground floors of course come with upper floors and these should be considered together. The upper floors are missing here.
Is the plot going to be built up (raised)?
In one example the utility area is omitted because it’s probably in the basement, where there could also be a cloakroom.I don’t see many options for the upper floors but I can post some later. Yes, the plot will be raised.kaho674 schrieb:
Did the architect provide a section drawing showing terrain heights or similar?Not yet. We haven’t had a surveyor on site ourselves. That is usually included with the building company.The lower living area should feel open and welcoming.
Thanks for your efforts!
Chrisss83 schrieb:
This is just a dead-end street... no space to turn around. But reversing back to the main road is also inconvenient :-( I think the planner will have to work out a solution so that the garage and driveway setup works well for both cars.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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