ᐅ Clinker Bricks: Vertical Joints Without Mortar – Is That Acceptable?

Created on: 25 Jan 2018 15:09
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worner
Hello,

our house is almost completely clad with facing bricks but not yet pointed.
I have noticed that some vertical joints are completely or partially without mortar.
Is this acceptable, or should these areas be repaired before pointing?

Thank you very much for your advice...
11ant26 Jan 2018 23:39
Knallkörper schrieb:
According to this standard, a flush pointing technique is recommended instead of pointing afterwards. I actually don’t understand why quite a few homeowners have their cladding pointed later. At least now you should insist on professional workmanship: the mortar joints must be scratched out to a depth of at least 15 mm (0.6 inches) before pointing…

Unfortunately, complying with standards requires skilled professionals. Associating flush pointing with masons working rapidly and producing frayed joints, followed by a finishing person simply smoothing a uniform mortar layer over it, as we discussed recently, is incorrect: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fassadenmangel-moertelreste-und-verschmierungen-mangel-oder-nicht.25932
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worner
30 Jan 2018 19:25
@everyone
First of all, thank you for your previous comments.
Attached is a picture of the current "joint situation."
There are about 3-4 of these holes per m2 (10.8 ft2).

Close-up of a shell brick wall with mortar between the stones
11ant30 Jan 2018 20:36
It looks like the bricklayer simply dropped lumps of mortar into the vertical joints and quickly pressed the next brick in place. This resulted in irregular joint widths, some of which were even narrower than the tool used by the finisher to level the joints to a consistent depth. It’s likely that neither of the two gentlemen can read the specifications of a DIN standard.

Exposed masonry or brick veneer simply isn’t suitable for bold, self-taught amateurs; it needs to be done by trained professionals. These are definitely not ventilation joints, but rather carelessly made vertical joints. Otherwise: is the appearance acceptable, meaning, was the "used look" intended?
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worner
30 Jan 2018 20:46
@11ant
The joints will probably be cleaned again before grouting, and I will insist on filling the butt joints.
Otherwise, the "used look" is fine for us. We didn’t want a sterile brickwork appearance, so we chose this very irregular brick.
11ant30 Jan 2018 20:54
worner schrieb:
We didn’t want a sterile brick appearance.

In this respect, the irregular mortar joints are not disturbing either.
worner schrieb:
to insist on filling the head joints.

For the head joints alone, this will be sufficient. Normally, a proper joint finishing is not done only after the mortar has already cured.
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31 Jan 2018 08:08
worner schrieb:
@everyone
First of all, thank you for your previous comments.
Attached is a picture showing the current "joint situation."
There are about 3-4 of these holes per m² (10.8 ft²).

But the photo shows that it hasn’t been grouted yet? The joint is set a bit too far back (a matter of taste)?
From my point of view, the joint pattern is unacceptable; it looks like whoever did this either wasn’t motivated or didn’t know what they were doing (joints too narrow / stone layout possibly poorly planned).