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Thomas111231 Dec 2017 17:59I admit upfront that I have practically no knowledge about house construction ;-)
My parents’ house is a semi-detached home from the 1980s, located in the center of a village in Bavaria, about 50 km (30 miles) from Munich. Nothing is supposed to happen to this property.
The other half of the semi-detached house belonged to my grandmother. I don’t know the exact year it was built, but I estimate it to be around 80-100 years old. The house has brick walls, no basement, low ceilings (one of which is starting to sag a bit, apparently made of wood?), an uninsulated roof structure, and the total height is about 1 meter (3 feet) lower than my parents’ house. It faces the street and practically has no garden.
The plot used to be a farm. There is still a large brick building on the site (about 40 cm (16 inches) wall thickness, presumably as old as my grandmother’s house, tall and large enough for a single-family home), which was used to store tractors and hay. This building is located relatively close to the neighbors’ properties and therefore probably does not meet current regulations. The floor is not concrete (foundation?). Behind this building there is still a fairly large garden.
My questions are:
1) Which of the two buildings (grandma’s house or the “hay barn,” or neither) would you convert into a residential building for rental purposes (to wealthy tenants from Munich ;-) ) according to current standards?
2) What is more practical: new construction or renovation? I think that the hay barn could not be built today with the same outer walls. With the proper distance from neighbors, space will be tight. One neighbor wouldn’t mind, but I can’t predict the other’s reaction.
3) How should I proceed?
4) I have read that there is government funding available for converting agricultural buildings into residential properties. Is this true?
5) I am not in a hurry, and there seems to be a shortage of skilled workers at the moment. Should I wait a bit longer?
Wishing you all a good start to the new year!
My parents’ house is a semi-detached home from the 1980s, located in the center of a village in Bavaria, about 50 km (30 miles) from Munich. Nothing is supposed to happen to this property.
The other half of the semi-detached house belonged to my grandmother. I don’t know the exact year it was built, but I estimate it to be around 80-100 years old. The house has brick walls, no basement, low ceilings (one of which is starting to sag a bit, apparently made of wood?), an uninsulated roof structure, and the total height is about 1 meter (3 feet) lower than my parents’ house. It faces the street and practically has no garden.
The plot used to be a farm. There is still a large brick building on the site (about 40 cm (16 inches) wall thickness, presumably as old as my grandmother’s house, tall and large enough for a single-family home), which was used to store tractors and hay. This building is located relatively close to the neighbors’ properties and therefore probably does not meet current regulations. The floor is not concrete (foundation?). Behind this building there is still a fairly large garden.
My questions are:
1) Which of the two buildings (grandma’s house or the “hay barn,” or neither) would you convert into a residential building for rental purposes (to wealthy tenants from Munich ;-) ) according to current standards?
2) What is more practical: new construction or renovation? I think that the hay barn could not be built today with the same outer walls. With the proper distance from neighbors, space will be tight. One neighbor wouldn’t mind, but I can’t predict the other’s reaction.
3) How should I proceed?
4) I have read that there is government funding available for converting agricultural buildings into residential properties. Is this true?
5) I am not in a hurry, and there seems to be a shortage of skilled workers at the moment. Should I wait a bit longer?
Wishing you all a good start to the new year!
1) If it is not truly a lovingly restored gem with a lot of character, then none.
2) New construction. A conversion of the hay barn, unless it is a listed building, would have to comply with the current building regulations just like a new build. If you present a really exceptional renovation concept, the planning authority might possibly allow deviations. With an ordinary old building, this is rather unlikely.
3) If available, seek building consultation at the planning authority; otherwise, arrange an appointment with the case officer to discuss the planning law basics (e.g., zoning plan or other local regulations) and building code possibilities (e.g., setback requirements, infrastructure connections).
4) No idea.
5) About what?
2) New construction. A conversion of the hay barn, unless it is a listed building, would have to comply with the current building regulations just like a new build. If you present a really exceptional renovation concept, the planning authority might possibly allow deviations. With an ordinary old building, this is rather unlikely.
3) If available, seek building consultation at the planning authority; otherwise, arrange an appointment with the case officer to discuss the planning law basics (e.g., zoning plan or other local regulations) and building code possibilities (e.g., setback requirements, infrastructure connections).
4) No idea.
5) About what?
Thomas1112 schrieb:
My parents’ house is a semi-detached house from the 1980s located in the center of a village in Bavaria about 50 km (30 miles) from Munich. Nothing is supposed to happen to it.
The other half of the semi-detached house belonged to my grandmother. I don’t know the exact year it was built, but I estimate it to be around 80–100 years old. A semi-detached house where one side is about half a century younger than the other? Honestly, that doesn’t quite add up for me.
Thomas1112 schrieb:
4) I have read that there is government funding available when converting agricultural buildings into residential buildings. Is that true? There are indeed several programs like that, but
Thomas1112 schrieb:
to convert it into rental property (for wealthy people from Munich ;-) to new standards? does not seem appropriate in this context. Funding is typically aimed at attracting young families to the area or preventing their relocation from rural villages. Holiday homes for city dwellers are not an eligible purpose: they generally contribute less to the vitality of villages and also do not bring income tax revenues like primary residences do.
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Thomas11121 Jan 2018 11:39Thank you for your replies.
In the meantime, I have found out which department at the district office is responsible for my location. I will call them and make an appointment. I will probably need a power of attorney from my father (the owner of everything).
Regarding your specific input:
Neither of the two buildings are “charming little gems.” However, I thought the foundations were still “in good condition.”
My parents’ house is much newer, as it was built by my father on the site of an old barn.
I did not mean a holiday home. It is possible to commute to Munich from this location every day.
I asked if I should wait, since currently, due to the construction boom in Germany, companies are overloaded.
In the meantime, I have found out which department at the district office is responsible for my location. I will call them and make an appointment. I will probably need a power of attorney from my father (the owner of everything).
Regarding your specific input:
Neither of the two buildings are “charming little gems.” However, I thought the foundations were still “in good condition.”
My parents’ house is much newer, as it was built by my father on the site of an old barn.
I did not mean a holiday home. It is possible to commute to Munich from this location every day.
I asked if I should wait, since currently, due to the construction boom in Germany, companies are overloaded.
11ant schrieb:
Holiday apartments for city dwellers are not a valid purpose for fundingI don’t think it’s about holiday apartments, but rather a house intended for regular rental. Being 50km (30 miles) away from Munich is a common commuting distance for many people there…
Happy New Year!
I get the impression that many of you see building an apartment as relatively simple, smart, and commercially viable—especially since 1. you are targeting “wealthy” people rather than just ordinary residents of Munich, and 2. because of the subsidies involved.
I don’t know the exact amount of these subsidies, but basically, you don’t get anything for free from the government without conditions or required investments. So if you are renovating, converting, or building new, you have to pay a regular price per square meter (sqm) of living space, which will only pay off after about 20 years.
Additionally, you might have outsiders living on your property.
Basically, you should first check with the authorities to see if the barn’s usage can be changed at all.
I get the impression that many of you see building an apartment as relatively simple, smart, and commercially viable—especially since 1. you are targeting “wealthy” people rather than just ordinary residents of Munich, and 2. because of the subsidies involved.
I don’t know the exact amount of these subsidies, but basically, you don’t get anything for free from the government without conditions or required investments. So if you are renovating, converting, or building new, you have to pay a regular price per square meter (sqm) of living space, which will only pay off after about 20 years.
Additionally, you might have outsiders living on your property.
Basically, you should first check with the authorities to see if the barn’s usage can be changed at all.
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