Hello everyone,
Based on the floor plans attached, the architect from the general contractor is now planning our house. The floor plans were created by us as a guideline for the architect. Please don’t scrutinize too closely whether doors, frames, or windows are exactly right, as, for example, they are definitely not finalized yet.
The first drawings from the architect are expected to arrive after Christmas. The architect had relatively few comments on the floor plans. From his perspective, the hallway on the upper floor is too large, and there will be a few minor changes made in the bathroom. The chimney flue also needs to be adjusted.
The building permits / planning permission applications are planned to be submitted in mid-January 2018.
What is currently causing us some concern is the relatively small kitchen. The net size will be around 16 sqm (172 sq ft), but we would prefer a larger kitchen—20 sqm (215 sq ft) or more. Unfortunately, we cannot think of a smart way to meaningfully change the layout without making too many compromises in the other rooms.
The basic house details:
Frisian house, 12 x 10.5 m (39 ft x 34 ft) plus two 4 m (13 ft) gables in the living room.
Exterior walls 42.5 cm (17 inches), interior walls on the ground floor 17.5 cm (7 inches), upper floor 11 cm (4 inches).
The living room faces south, the front door faces north.
45-degree half-hipped roof. Attic converted to living space, no basement.
Parking space / carport is planned on the east side of the house.
Best regards
Heiko
Based on the floor plans attached, the architect from the general contractor is now planning our house. The floor plans were created by us as a guideline for the architect. Please don’t scrutinize too closely whether doors, frames, or windows are exactly right, as, for example, they are definitely not finalized yet.
The first drawings from the architect are expected to arrive after Christmas. The architect had relatively few comments on the floor plans. From his perspective, the hallway on the upper floor is too large, and there will be a few minor changes made in the bathroom. The chimney flue also needs to be adjusted.
The building permits / planning permission applications are planned to be submitted in mid-January 2018.
What is currently causing us some concern is the relatively small kitchen. The net size will be around 16 sqm (172 sq ft), but we would prefer a larger kitchen—20 sqm (215 sq ft) or more. Unfortunately, we cannot think of a smart way to meaningfully change the layout without making too many compromises in the other rooms.
The basic house details:
Frisian house, 12 x 10.5 m (39 ft x 34 ft) plus two 4 m (13 ft) gables in the living room.
Exterior walls 42.5 cm (17 inches), interior walls on the ground floor 17.5 cm (7 inches), upper floor 11 cm (4 inches).
The living room faces south, the front door faces north.
45-degree half-hipped roof. Attic converted to living space, no basement.
Parking space / carport is planned on the east side of the house.
Best regards
Heiko
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Heiko_baut18 Dec 2017 20:07Thank you, 11ant, for your assessment.
I understand the point about the architect, which is why I'm asking here.
The kitchen builder says the kitchen will be too small for what we want.
To help you better visualize a Frisian house / a Frisian gable and the rear captain’s gable, I have attached two more pictures. As I mentioned in the introduction, the windows are not final yet.
Best regards
I understand the point about the architect, which is why I'm asking here.
The kitchen builder says the kitchen will be too small for what we want.
To help you better visualize a Frisian house / a Frisian gable and the rear captain’s gable, I have attached two more pictures. As I mentioned in the introduction, the windows are not final yet.
Best regards
Well, first of all, you don’t necessarily have to cook on a kitchen island, which is why I would consider a depth of 1.20m (4 feet) important there (plus countertop overhang, of course). For a preparation island, 1m (3 feet 3 inches) depth is sufficient.
The distance to the main kitchen run should be between 1 and 1.20m (3 feet 3 inches to 4 feet) — feel free to correct me, professionals — otherwise it becomes too far to handle pots and pans comfortably, and in practice, the sliding door is usually left open anyway.
That said, letting go of the “island must be the centerpiece” idea can be very liberating (and budget-friendly). There is also a current trend where islands are flanked by two kitchen runs: one run along the top side of the plan, a horizontal island, and another run at the bottom. That might work for your layout as well. Personally, I don’t like it, but I wanted to mention it.
The distance to the main kitchen run should be between 1 and 1.20m (3 feet 3 inches to 4 feet) — feel free to correct me, professionals — otherwise it becomes too far to handle pots and pans comfortably, and in practice, the sliding door is usually left open anyway.
That said, letting go of the “island must be the centerpiece” idea can be very liberating (and budget-friendly). There is also a current trend where islands are flanked by two kitchen runs: one run along the top side of the plan, a horizontal island, and another run at the bottom. That might work for your layout as well. Personally, I don’t like it, but I wanted to mention it.
Heiko_baut schrieb:
To help you better visualize a Frisian house, a Frisian gable, and the rear captain’s gable, I’ve attached two more pictures. Yes, regarding the facade, your example image reassured me. Otherwise, I don’t need any lessons on a Frisian house, as my first name should have made clear.
Alex85 schrieb:
Besides, letting go of the island kitchen layout really frees you up a lot (and saves money). *completely agree*
Alex85 schrieb:
Also, there’s currently a trend to flank islands with two rows of cabinets: one row at the top of the plan, a horizontal island, and another row at the bottom of the plan. That might even work for you. I find it awful, but just wanted to mention it. Yes, thanks especially for pointing out that it’s awful. Hopefully, that will make the fashion victims think twice.
Islands are only good with two mountains, tunnels, tracks, and railway traffic.
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Heiko_baut18 Dec 2017 20:33Alex85 schrieb:
Putting aside the island dogma makes you feel a lot freer (and saves money). Otherwise, there’s currently a trend to flank islands with two rows. So, a row on top, a horizontal island in the middle, and another row at the bottom. That could possibly work for you too. I personally find it awful, but just wanted to mention it. Maybe you’re stopping us from having an island after all.
We also find flanking islands terrible.
If there is going to be an island, it will be a prep island, not a cooking island. Roughly planned with a 1 meter depth (3 feet 3 inches). The kitchen planner called the minimum depth 1.30 to 1.50 meters (4 feet 3 inches to 4 feet 11 inches). Ikea also specifies a minimum of 1.30 meters (4 feet 3 inches). Häcker Kitchens (the likely manufacturer of our kitchen) states a minimum of 1.20 meters (3 feet 11 inches). That’s a bit confusing. Our current island is only 90 centimeters (35 inches) away from the kitchen cabinets, so unloading the dishwasher is only possible from the side.
Best regards
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Heiko_baut18 Dec 2017 20:3711ant schrieb:
Yes, regarding the facade, your example picture reassured me. Otherwise, I don’t need any lessons on a Frisian house, as my first name should have made clear
Hello, I actually don’t know your first name.....or do I?
For me, it’s simple: my username is Heiko_Baut, and I sign every post here with my first name. But with 11Ant, I can’t think of any Frisian origin...
Best regards, Heiko
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