After having approached the topic the wrong way in the last thread, here is another attempt. First, our requirements:
Overall Requirements
The entire project must be completed within a budget of 280,000 euros. The finished product must be a move-in ready house including driveway, carport, lawn, and a hedge around the property.
Requirements for All Rooms
Every room must have a window.
Requirements for Children’s Rooms
The children’s rooms must be at least 10 m² (108 sq ft) in size.
The children’s rooms should preferably be square-shaped.
There must be three children’s rooms included.
Preferably, there should be four children’s rooms included.
Requirements for Kitchen, Dining, and Living Rooms
The kitchen must have at least one wall without a door measuring 230 cm (7 ft 7 in) and an adjacent wall without a door measuring 310 cm (10 ft 2 in).
The floor plan should include an open-plan kitchen-living area.
The kitchen and dining room can be in direct view of each other.
The living room should not be visible from the kitchen but should be visible from the dining room.
(An ideal solution would be an L-shape layout with the kitchen at one end and the living room at the other.)
Requirements for the (Master) Bedroom
The bedroom must be able to accommodate a wardrobe 200 cm (6 ft 7 in) wide and a bed 180 cm (6 ft) wide.
The bedroom may have space for a nightstand on each side of the bed.
Requirements for Bathrooms
There must be two bathrooms, both equipped with toilets.
One bathroom must include a bathtub.
Pantry / Storage Room
The home must provide at least 4 m² (43 sq ft) of storage space.
Utility Room
The utility room must have space for a washing machine and a dryer.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approximately 300 m² (0.07 acres)
Slope
No
Floor area ratio (FAR)
0.4
Gross floor area ratio
0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Two
Roof shape
Architectural style
Orientation
15° roof direction
Maximum heights / limits
FH 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in); TH 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in)
Other specifications
Homeowner requirements
Building type
Solid construction house, bungalow
Basement, storeys
Only one ground floor level
Number of occupants, age
Two adults and one preschool child, with tendency to increase
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Office: family use or home office?
Family use or not necessary
Number of overnight guests per year
About 40
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern building style
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open-plan kitchen-living area
Number of dining seats
3+
Fireplace
Yes, mine
Music / stereo wall
No, but a 5+1 surround sound system with a 280 x 158 cm (110 x 62 in) screen should be planned.
Balcony, roof terrace
No
Garage, carport
Carport and bicycle shed
Utility garden, greenhouse
No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also with reasons
If possible, barrier-free design so the house can serve as a residence for old age
General House Design
Who designed it
Planner from a construction company
Personal price limit for house, including fittings
280,000 €
Preferred heating technology
Gas heating
Specific House Designs
Design number 1 - Park 140 W
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
What do you not like? Why?
Quite a few doors on the left side of the plan, making that area feel busy.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
163,400 €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 2 - Bungalow 123
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and daylight.
Guest toilet is easily accessible from the center.
Two showers.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 3 - Bungalow 119
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
Guest toilet is easily accessible.
Two showers.
A terrace in the bottom right of the plan has abundant sunlight during the day.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Overall Requirements
The entire project must be completed within a budget of 280,000 euros. The finished product must be a move-in ready house including driveway, carport, lawn, and a hedge around the property.
Requirements for All Rooms
Every room must have a window.
Requirements for Children’s Rooms
The children’s rooms must be at least 10 m² (108 sq ft) in size.
The children’s rooms should preferably be square-shaped.
There must be three children’s rooms included.
Preferably, there should be four children’s rooms included.
Requirements for Kitchen, Dining, and Living Rooms
The kitchen must have at least one wall without a door measuring 230 cm (7 ft 7 in) and an adjacent wall without a door measuring 310 cm (10 ft 2 in).
The floor plan should include an open-plan kitchen-living area.
The kitchen and dining room can be in direct view of each other.
The living room should not be visible from the kitchen but should be visible from the dining room.
(An ideal solution would be an L-shape layout with the kitchen at one end and the living room at the other.)
Requirements for the (Master) Bedroom
The bedroom must be able to accommodate a wardrobe 200 cm (6 ft 7 in) wide and a bed 180 cm (6 ft) wide.
The bedroom may have space for a nightstand on each side of the bed.
Requirements for Bathrooms
There must be two bathrooms, both equipped with toilets.
One bathroom must include a bathtub.
Pantry / Storage Room
The home must provide at least 4 m² (43 sq ft) of storage space.
Utility Room
The utility room must have space for a washing machine and a dryer.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approximately 300 m² (0.07 acres)
Slope
No
Floor area ratio (FAR)
0.4
Gross floor area ratio
0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Two
Roof shape
Architectural style
Orientation
15° roof direction
Maximum heights / limits
FH 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in); TH 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in)
Other specifications
Homeowner requirements
Building type
Solid construction house, bungalow
Basement, storeys
Only one ground floor level
Number of occupants, age
Two adults and one preschool child, with tendency to increase
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Office: family use or home office?
Family use or not necessary
Number of overnight guests per year
About 40
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern building style
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open-plan kitchen-living area
Number of dining seats
3+
Fireplace
Yes, mine
Music / stereo wall
No, but a 5+1 surround sound system with a 280 x 158 cm (110 x 62 in) screen should be planned.
Balcony, roof terrace
No
Garage, carport
Carport and bicycle shed
Utility garden, greenhouse
No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also with reasons
If possible, barrier-free design so the house can serve as a residence for old age
General House Design
Who designed it
Planner from a construction company
Personal price limit for house, including fittings
280,000 €
Preferred heating technology
Gas heating
Specific House Designs
Design number 1 - Park 140 W
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
What do you not like? Why?
Quite a few doors on the left side of the plan, making that area feel busy.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
163,400 €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 2 - Bungalow 123
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and daylight.
Guest toilet is easily accessible from the center.
Two showers.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 3 - Bungalow 119
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
Guest toilet is easily accessible.
Two showers.
A terrace in the bottom right of the plan has abundant sunlight during the day.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
chbest schrieb:
So, we found a floor plan that we really like. We made some minor changes to better fit our preferences.
Special House Designs
Design number 4 – Point 114.2
What do we like most? Why?
The central living area, because that is where family life happens...You always go through this routine. Have you ever understood the purpose instead of just copying?
11ant schrieb:
Yes, there isn’t a really clear direction so far. What matters to us is that it meets our requirements.
11ant schrieb:
... it also sounds like "there isn’t anything concrete yet". And that is correct. As I mentioned in the other post, it’s about a housing development that is planned but we still need to apply for a lot. So there is still some time left.
By the way, we have looked at the Flair 124 and were very impressed. The Flair 134 would definitely be an option.
With our changes—roller shutters and underfloor heating in the bathrooms—it comes to €175,140 (about $175,140) including site work and the foundation slab. I will write more about this later.
chbest schrieb:
What matters to us is that it meets our requirements. That’s exactly what I meant: finding common ground is difficult when your examples are so different. The range of examples appears quite mixed and diverse.
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toxicmolotof3 Dec 2017 20:58Somehow, I’m wondering how 280,000 EUR is supposed to cover everything. Is that the budget for all costs? Including the land, additional purchase costs, and ancillary building expenses?
What do you typically pay per square meter of land that you would actually be happy with?
What do you typically pay per square meter of land that you would actually be happy with?
11ant schrieb:
That’s exactly what I meant: finding a common denominator is hardly visible given how different your examples are. The gallery of examples seems quite randomly put together. Are they really that different? I’m not so sure. What we currently have in mind is at least quite similar to the previous floor plan.
An additional requirement has been added: a vestibule. One reason the floor plans don’t feel fully cohesive is that two people with somewhat different tastes are involved. One of them finds the vestibule unnecessary, the other considers it essential. Another reason why developing floor plans is a process where we keep learning as we go.
Otherwise, we would implement one of the suggested layouts for the ground floor. Possibly the master bedroom could be on the ground floor or alternatively a guest room. For the upper floor, we want to keep the walls as they are. But the middle room upstairs could become a child’s room, as well as the guest and master bedrooms. It’s bothersome that the rooms are quite different in size, but functionally it fits what we’re looking for.
ypg schrieb:
You keep repeating the same thing. Have you ever understood the purpose instead of just copying? The purpose is that the rooms above are more functional, and the shared living takes place in the central room. Or what point are you trying to make?
toxicmolotow schrieb:
What do you usually pay per square meter for land that you would also like? It should be around €150/m² (about $160/ft²). Whether that’s realistic is another question.
Here is my calculation, feel free to correct it. The house with the extras we want (roller shutters and underfloor heating in the bathroom) costs €175,000. The plot costs €50,000. So together that’s €225,000. Adding 10% for additional building costs brings it to €247,500. A double carport costs €13,400 with Town & Country. Then another €15,000 for the driveway, garden, hedge, and so on. That brings us to €275,900. The fitted kitchen then adds up to €282,900. What items have I missed?
€280,000 is the target total we aim for. The loan offer we received covers up to €297,000. More would be possible within our income, but I would prefer to avoid that.
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