ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And the children don’t need to look out onto the street. Hold your hand under your nose and imagine you can’t see anything below it. That’s unsettling, up to a measurable increase in stress levels.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Does the lightweight partition wall have any other advantages besides being slightly narrower than the drawn wall? Ready for wallpapering, it’s barely 3cm (1 inch) narrower, I’d say. No, the advantages are easier repositioning and more flexible placement. In terms of effort and benefits, it’s roughly equivalent. It hardly saves any significant space or time.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I’m increasingly thinking that the entire window situation needs to be corrected again. If you start changing something at the front up there, it stretches from the children’s bathroom on the right all the way to the west wall of the children’s room at the other end. No. I wouldn’t have made the suggestion if it had to create a domino effect.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
1) I now find the window situation in child 2’s room even worse than before. [...] Some might remember that a few weeks ago we had a planning stage where one of the architects suddenly completely revised the window arrangement on the front side. I still don’t understand what drove the planner to change course like that. Something that was working well was changed without reason. I wouldn’t shed a tear over the newer window layout.
In the living room, however, I warn against making changes based on specific current furnishing wishes.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Currently, the sill height is planned so that all the windows, from the office through the living room to the kitchen nook, have the same sill height. Here too, I see no problem in changing the office window individually or together with the dining area window.
kbt09 schrieb:
Sill height… where no kitchen planning etc. is affected, there’s no objection to the standard of 86/87.5cm (34/34.5 inches). That’s also much more practical in the office. … that would be equally possible.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I’m still considering whether it makes sense that apparently there is no drainage in the garage. A floor drain in the garage would require an oil separator.
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 19:1811ant schrieb:
Until now, I haven’t understood what made the planner change course here. Something that was working got changed without any reason. I wouldn’t shed a tear over the newer window design.Okay, so just insist that it is implemented as you wrote to me in the PM.
11ant schrieb:
However, in the living room, I would caution against making changes based on specific current furniture preferences.I can understand that. However, I believe that such a centered window generally limits my ability to arrange furniture in the future. I think the key point is that the wall above the right outer window, up to the sliding door, is basically unusable for furniture because of the sliding door. So I would keep that wall space as small as possible—don’t you agree?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
The children’s rooms face south. The room on the left exterior wall faces northwest.I have to correct myself here. The children’s rooms actually face southwest.
kbt09 schrieb:
I also don’t see an issue with the window in the living room, especially since the old floor plan also shows the sofa on the right side. Just use the floor plan and upload it again in the post. You have it right in front of you anyway, and image links are no longer allowed here officially, so you have to upload each image again anyway.Sorry about that. Here are both floor plans again. Please simply compare the positioning of the right living room window under the assumption that the dining area will be on this side of the room as well. Please disregard the shown furniture layout. I would imagine the dining table to be on the left side next to the window in the old floor plan—not centered in the room but a bit further up.
Draw the dining table in, and consider the walking path, for example, from the kitchen to the terrace—barbecue evenings and similar occasions.
I would place the table with the narrow side roughly centered to the "new" window position. However, I’m not sure what kind of table you have in mind. That’s why I repeat myself: draw in the exact furniture as you envision it, especially if there are existing pieces to be reused. Just use a graphic program to overlay the areas and position furniture with the desired dimensions.
That’s why I try to realistically furnish rooms in my floor plan sketches. It takes effort, of course.
I would place the table with the narrow side roughly centered to the "new" window position. However, I’m not sure what kind of table you have in mind. That’s why I repeat myself: draw in the exact furniture as you envision it, especially if there are existing pieces to be reused. Just use a graphic program to overlay the areas and position furniture with the desired dimensions.
That’s why I try to realistically furnish rooms in my floor plan sketches. It takes effort, of course.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And then I would keep this wall surface as small as possible, wouldn’t you agree? And then the dining table would be placed where the sofa is drawn, but close to the sliding door?
The window on the right-hand wall mainly serves to ensure that the part of the living room facing the stairs/kitchen receives almost as much daylight as the part facing the garden.
By moving this window, the distribution of daylight between the “front and rear” areas of the living room also changes. Putting all the light on the garden side and having more wall space for pictures on the stair side, but no light to see them, wouldn’t make much sense.
In that respect, you would need a daylighting consultant—but already for the windows, not just for the artificial lighting.
If the seating and dining areas are actually planned opposite to what is shown, shouldn’t the sliding door and the window toward the office swap positions as well?
If the architect still places so many important elements “tentatively” shortly before submitting the plans, they will probably need to revise them. And preferably in a live meeting with you—email ping-pong won’t help.
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 19:5411ant schrieb:
And then the dining table goes where the sofa is drawn, but close to the sliding door?Yes, roughly like that. Not directly next to it, but also not centered between the kitchen door and the sliding door.
11ant schrieb:
The window on the right side wall is mainly to ensure that the part of the living room facing the stairs/kitchen receives almost as much natural light as the part facing the garden.Okay, then we’ll leave it as it is. It’s not bad anyway.
11ant schrieb:
If the seating and dining areas are actually intended to be swapped compared to the drawing, shouldn’t the sliding door and the window towards the office also switch places?I didn’t want to have to walk around the sofa every time to go outside. In my opinion, this way you can easily go straight from the kitchen to the terrace.
I don’t see a reason to swap anything there. Or am I missing something?
11ant schrieb:
If the architect still places so many essential positions as “non-binding” just before submitting the plans, they’ll have to revise it again.In the latest drawings, the furniture was always left out. I don’t know why either. They always said we’d do that later. Now it has been drawn in, but without any consultation. Especially furniture sizes I provided months ago are now not shown at all. I feel there are communication issues here and there since several people are involved in the project.
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 22:28So, I think we will actually lower the parapet height on both the ground floor and the upper floor.
On the upper floor, I would keep the window sill height at 1m (3.3 ft) on the side walls. That makes sense especially in the bathrooms and the utility room, and in the children's room it doesn’t really cause any issues (in the kitchen, there are already two different parapet heights within one room).
I would say the top edge of the windowsill at 90cm (35 inches). Then enlarge the windows accordingly so that the top edge stays the same, right? At least on the ground floor this is necessary to keep the top edge visually aligned with the sliding door.
On the upper floor, I would keep the window sill height at 1m (3.3 ft) on the side walls. That makes sense especially in the bathrooms and the utility room, and in the children's room it doesn’t really cause any issues (in the kitchen, there are already two different parapet heights within one room).
I would say the top edge of the windowsill at 90cm (35 inches). Then enlarge the windows accordingly so that the top edge stays the same, right? At least on the ground floor this is necessary to keep the top edge visually aligned with the sliding door.
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