ᐅ Self-leveling screed or concrete-look tiles

Created on: 12 Sep 2017 08:59
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DieScholz´ens
New here and already have a few questions....

We are tearing up the entire floor and want to install underfloor heating.... Now, we want a hardwood floor in the living room and a floor with a concrete look in all other rooms, including bathrooms, kitchen, and dining area.
My question is: I would really love a polished screed floor (except for the expansion joints) for a nice, uniform appearance. However, friends and two tradespeople have expressed concerns about cracks and similar issues.
I don’t want to seem unwilling to take advice, but I also don’t want to give up completely — after all, you see this kind of flooring in many places. Alternatively, I have (admittedly somewhat reluctantly) looked at concrete tiles. What bothers me there is that it always looks like tiles, either because of the grout lines or the repeating pattern. I want the floor to look a bit like concrete with shadows, stains, and the like (I hope this makes sense).

So, question for the pros: do you think going with the screed makes sense? Do you maybe have an alternative? Or are tiles really the most practical option?
Oh, ceiling heights are from 2.50 m (8 ft 2 in) upwards.

I’ll upload a few pictures...
So far, only the laminate flooring has been removed (which had been installed specifically for sale purposes).

Thanks a lot

Heller Wohnraum mit Kamin, großen Glasschiebetüren zum Garten.


Innenausbau Baustelle mit unfertiger Wandkonstruktion und braunem Boden


Heller moderner Kuechen- und Wohnbereich mit weisser Einbaukueche und hellem Holzboden


Heller, leerer Raum mit weißen Einbauschränken, Holzboden, schräger Decke und offenem Türdurchgang.


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DieScholz´ens13 Sep 2017 08:57
Yes, that’s exactly what I feared... the screed is practically ruined already, even though it’s hard for me to accept. It looks like we’ll have to go with the larger tiles (I’ll just have to live with the narrow grout lines). I don’t want it to turn into a cheap or makeshift solution—I know myself and us well enough for that; buying cheap means buying twice.

That would definitely annoy us after a very short time.

Thanks a lot for the tips and ideas (I’ll keep you updated on what we end up choosing).

Now the demolition comes first.
11ant13 Sep 2017 14:29
DieScholz´ens schrieb:
We are breaking up the entire floor and want to install underfloor heating....

Has it been clarified at what point a renovation becomes a remodeling project that requires a building permit / planning permission?
DieScholz´ens schrieb:
I want the floor to have a bit of a concrete look with shadows and stains, etc.
DieScholz´ens schrieb:
If we use tiles or similar materials, we want the grout lines to be barely visible and no repetitive patterns

I’ll just throw out the term terrazzo.
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KlaRa14 Sep 2017 21:44
No building permit / planning permission is required for a homeowner to renew a screed! What is the point of this objection that completely misses the topic?!

And we won’t get a terrazzo for less than about 120 to 150 € per m2 (11 to 14 USD per sq ft).

Two-layer screeds with extensive grinding and filling work simply come at a price!
11ant15 Sep 2017 00:45
KlaRa schrieb:
A building owner does not need a permit for renewing a screed!

Of course not. However, other posts by the original poster suggest that the work overall goes far beyond a simple renovation.
KlaRa schrieb:
And a terrazzo floor usually costs at least around 120 to 150 euros per m2 (approximately $130 to $165 per m2).

I mentioned this term because terrazzo may be unfamiliar to some younger readers and is often dismissed in their considerations. I certainly do not suggest it as a cost-effective alternative.
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DieScholz´ens15 Sep 2017 15:31
11ant schrieb:
Of course not. However, other posts by the original poster suggest that the measures go well beyond a simple renovation.

What do you mean by "well beyond a simple renovation"? Would that already be considered a refurbishment?

The plans include / electrical system upgraded with RCD, removing the floor including the existing screed, installing underfloor heating and new screed, plus parquet flooring and some kind of contrasting element.

The insulation in the living room on two walls needs to be checked and renewed.

And the bathrooms as well.

What we also have to keep in mind (or need to) are possibly the water pipes.

We will consider the windows and heating system at a later stage.
DieScholz´ens15 Sep 2017 15:45
Oh, don’t get me wrong... it’s not about the money (nice comment if my husband reads this) but I was interested in your experiences with it, because apart from one architect, everyone pretty much dismissed it (and that’s what I’m sticking to now). Exposed concrete is off the table.

Terrazzo is the one with the stones embedded in it that has a speckled look, right? No, that’s ruled out because of the look...