ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz26 Aug 2017 09:35Ok, I’ll now work my way through the calculations.
Unfortunately, I can’t see from the figures that the structural simplifications compared to the criticized design are reflected in the numbers. I need to request a statement on this.
One option would be to give up the spaciousness in the living room and at the same time somehow forgo the roof terrace. That would instantly resolve almost all the budget concerns.
Unfortunately, I can’t see from the figures that the structural simplifications compared to the criticized design are reflected in the numbers. I need to request a statement on this.
One option would be to give up the spaciousness in the living room and at the same time somehow forgo the roof terrace. That would instantly resolve almost all the budget concerns.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Leaving out things initially that can be quickly added later wouldn’t be a problem. We gain about €20,000 of additional liquidity per year, which we can invest in the house. That sounds good. I would consider a sort of "shell house": delaying doors and floor coverings in the basement, as well as the interior plastering of the garage—or even just doing the garage slab first, etc.
To bring daylight into the hallway, I would add transom windows above the doors of the utility room and the children's bathroom, extending up to the ceiling.
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winnetou7826 Aug 2017 16:59I’m curious about this – what kind of skylight or roof window is typically used in such cases?
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R.Hotzenplotz26 Aug 2017 17:0111ant schrieb:
To bring natural light into the hallway, I would install transom windows above the doors of the utility room and the children’s bathroom, extending up to the ceiling.That was my first idea until winnetou78 suggested the Velux spotlights. That seems to have a similar effect and might even be less expensive.
11ant schrieb:
That sounds good. I’d consider a kind of “shell construction” approach: postponing doors and floor coverings in the basement, as well as the interior plastering of the garage, or even just completing its floor slab for now, etc.That should make it clear that the design will stay as it is... great!
I don’t think the garage needs work right away. The basement work should be enough... water softening system later, etc. — better to spend money in the bathroom showroom beforehand.
One thought was to ask the architect to check how much floor area would be lost in the living and dining areas if the roof terrace were removed and the ground and upper floors were aligned flush. Then, only a balcony on the upper floor with doors from the bedroom and utility room, which would also serve as a roof over the terrace below. I was curious to know the resulting distance wall to wall in the living space... that would have settled all budget considerations at once.
winnetou78 schrieb:
I’m interested in this—what kind of skylight would you use here? Clear glass. On the wet room side, it is smooth; on the hallway side, a frosting film is applied to diffuse the light.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
One earlier idea was for the architect to check how much floor area would be lost in the living and dining space if the roof terrace were removed and the ground floor and upper floor walls aligned flush. My old song with new lyrics
Secondly, this would mostly eliminate the need for support beams altogether, and first of all, you wouldn’t actually lose any space: what would be lost beneath the drying balcony would be regained to the right by pushing out the outer wall* under the upper floor again. The total floor area would be neutral. At least the corner window wouldn’t suffer a loss any longer due to the now only half as wide bay window projection; possibly the entire bay, but you were already at that point.
*) the basement would have to be included of course
If you eventually say that the mentioned 6.40 meters (21 feet) could maybe only be 5.80 meters (19 feet) instead of 6.20 meters (20 feet), then we can declare you cured
Every scaled-back, exaggerated profiling of the building volume opens a door to successfully applying proportional aesthetics to the space.
(See also successful "counterexamples" from @Dan8070 https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Empfehlungen-für-Architekten-Baufirmen-und-bauberater-in-ingolstadt.25253/page-2#post-219658 or @daniels87 or @RobsonMKK—all of whom manage with only small roof overhangs).
Although I find Artos and Poroton acceptable, you might also want to get a quote for your house from Massivhaus Mittelrhein under Adventis or Domus (or Villa if necessary).
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winnetou7826 Aug 2017 20:26I still don’t understand, are we talking about components that can be installed into a standard partition wall? Where can you get something like that?
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