Hello!
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Your parents are actually a good example that it isn’t always necessary to own a home at any cost.
You keep going around in circles here. Sit down together and discuss the option. If in the end only a weak compromise comes out of it, it’s better to just leave it.
Just my 2 cents
You keep going around in circles here. Sit down together and discuss the option. If in the end only a weak compromise comes out of it, it’s better to just leave it.
Just my 2 cents
chand1986 schrieb:
If you know you want three children: Would you have in that case had the house transferred to you by your parents if the living space provided is not sufficient for your future family? Yet you invest 200,000 euros in renovations? Of the 200,000 euros, 90,000 euros were just the purchase price and 20,000 euros were a payout to my sister. The fact that about 75% of the 90,000 euros purchase price went back into renovations is another matter, but this was neither planned nor agreed upon beforehand. Things were also done that hadn’t been planned before.
Moreover, in 2011 I was neither married nor thinking about children. I was already with my wife, and we planned to move in together. It was clear that eventually a wedding and children would follow. However, we were not aware at the time that having children would bring us so much joy that we would want three. The option to build an extension was still open.
You don’t need to justify yourself here. Children and a house both have their valid reasons.
I like the idea from @halmi. Sit down together before your first meeting with the bank and discuss everything.
You don’t have to call a family council with a finished plan. This way, you can clarify finances and ideas with everyone, and then approach the bank with a shared concept.
I like the idea from @halmi. Sit down together before your first meeting with the bank and discuss everything.
You don’t have to call a family council with a finished plan. This way, you can clarify finances and ideas with everyone, and then approach the bank with a shared concept.
chand1986 schrieb:
If you know you want three children: In that case, would you have your parents transfer ownership of the house to you if you only get a living space that is not sufficient for your future family? And still invest 200,000 in renovations? Of course not. The original poster didn’t do that either, as he already mentioned. But the situation is now set, or better said, the house is settled.
chand1986 schrieb:
The OP doesn’t have the luxury to stay stuck in 80 square meters (860 square feet) just to keep peace with the parents. In that case, he wouldn’t be able to face his wife and children anyway. That’s a completely different question—namely, can the OP afford three children?
No matter the answer, I can’t expect my parents to sacrifice their life’s work for my desire to have children. I believe the OP sees it the same way.
Ok, here’s a completely different approach. An open-plan living area as the center—no corridors—no wasted space. The furniture arrangement can definitely be optimized further. The kitchen could also be designed as a single line along the bottom of the plan. Soundproofing will definitely be an important issue here, so I need to plan for it from the very beginning of construction.
A separation from the basement level is easily possible with a door after the stairs.
A separation from the basement level is easily possible with a door after the stairs.