ᐅ How can you bypass energy-saving regulations and avoid bureaucratic hassle?
Created on: 8 Jul 2017 19:26
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Farilo
Hello everyone,
Is it possible to build without following the energy saving regulations?
I want to avoid unnecessary insulation and similar measures. At the same time, I want to maintain the great indoor climate that exists in this building from 1959.
Although it was barely insulated, the house remains completely dry and the indoor climate is excellent.
I am planning to build an extension that fits this outstanding indoor climate. All these modern insulation methods are not helpful in this case.
Does anyone have some kind of exemption from the energy saving regulation and can share how they obtained it?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Is it possible to build without following the energy saving regulations?
I want to avoid unnecessary insulation and similar measures. At the same time, I want to maintain the great indoor climate that exists in this building from 1959.
Although it was barely insulated, the house remains completely dry and the indoor climate is excellent.
I am planning to build an extension that fits this outstanding indoor climate. All these modern insulation methods are not helpful in this case.
Does anyone have some kind of exemption from the energy saving regulation and can share how they obtained it?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
T
toxicmolotof9 Jul 2017 02:49If the roof insulation alone, including installation, costs you 10,000 euros, but it saves you 50 euros per month in heating costs, it will be difficult to prove that "no insulation" is economical.
You’ve got this. Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Your options are now fully understood.
You’ve got this. Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Your options are now fully understood.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
If roof insulation alone, including installation, costs you 10,000 euros and you save 50 euros on heating costs per month as a result, it will be difficult to prove that “no insulation” is economically viable.
You’ll manage. Good luck, and please share how it went. You now know all your options comprehensively. Yes, IF it is as you say, then it will be challenging.
But IF insulating an entire house costs 40,000 euros and in the end I don’t save anything, then it’s simple.
So what now?
As far as I understand, it must be assessed on a case-by-case basis whether retrofitting insulation makes sense or not. Depending on the condition of the building, it can sometimes make more sense, sometimes less, or sometimes none at all. And that is exactly the point. Insulating just for the sake of insulating does not always achieve the intended results.
Even at the risk of feeding a troll, I will try to respond objectively.
You don’t need to bypass the energy-saving regulations. Simply use a well-insulating brick for the extension. The rest of the facade can be repainted.
The roof (both new and old) will be insulated with cellulose. This can also be done as a DIY project and becomes cost-effective after a few years.
What I also recommend (depending on the construction year of the windows) is either a glass pane replacement on the east side (often a good price/performance ratio) or new windows. For very new windows, I suggest those with trickle vents to prevent mold.
Regarding the heating system, I would stay calm at first. If it is weather-compensated (you can tell by the external sensor), to my knowledge, nothing needs to be done. Whether it will last much longer like that, I don’t know.
It will also handle the extension, since
1. older systems were usually designed with plenty of reserve capacity and
2. you will have insulated the roof and windows anew.
I do not know Mr. Fischer personally. However, your worries and fears are quite common.
On the other hand, I have only had positive experiences with insulation. The house becomes more comfortable and cozy. There are no more cold walls that “radiate” cold. It is also possible to heat continuously 24/7 at a low level without wasting energy.
In summer, it stays cool, even in the attic.
Is it cost-effective? Many measures aren’t if you hire companies to carry them out.
However, with a house, not only the budget matters but also whether you truly feel comfortable living in it.
I suspect (just a guess) that you bought the house and need or want to renovate and extend it due to budget constraints or frugality.
Consider doing a lot of the work yourself.
Regards,
Joe
You don’t need to bypass the energy-saving regulations. Simply use a well-insulating brick for the extension. The rest of the facade can be repainted.
The roof (both new and old) will be insulated with cellulose. This can also be done as a DIY project and becomes cost-effective after a few years.
What I also recommend (depending on the construction year of the windows) is either a glass pane replacement on the east side (often a good price/performance ratio) or new windows. For very new windows, I suggest those with trickle vents to prevent mold.
Regarding the heating system, I would stay calm at first. If it is weather-compensated (you can tell by the external sensor), to my knowledge, nothing needs to be done. Whether it will last much longer like that, I don’t know.
It will also handle the extension, since
1. older systems were usually designed with plenty of reserve capacity and
2. you will have insulated the roof and windows anew.
I do not know Mr. Fischer personally. However, your worries and fears are quite common.
On the other hand, I have only had positive experiences with insulation. The house becomes more comfortable and cozy. There are no more cold walls that “radiate” cold. It is also possible to heat continuously 24/7 at a low level without wasting energy.
In summer, it stays cool, even in the attic.
Is it cost-effective? Many measures aren’t if you hire companies to carry them out.
However, with a house, not only the budget matters but also whether you truly feel comfortable living in it.
I suspect (just a guess) that you bought the house and need or want to renovate and extend it due to budget constraints or frugality.
Consider doing a lot of the work yourself.
Regards,
Joe
Mr. Fischer is a populist; there is nothing more to say about that...
Building or renovating houses nowadays can also be done without insulation, solar panels, and mechanical ventilation with heat recovery.
However, in that case, the design must be very precise, and materials need to be chosen carefully.
This increases construction costs because it extends the lead time, as you have to do calculations and apply some brainpower...
Most clients don’t want that... They want to keep the double burden as low as possible, so they rely on proven methods like masonry plus insulation.
The situation is even worse with apartment buildings. Owners do not care whether tenants save energy or not. Every measure following the energy saving regulations justifies rent increases, and loans for renovations are available at low interest rates...
The title of this thread is more than nonsensical... Insulation has always been good and reasonable... you just have to think it through...
Building or renovating houses nowadays can also be done without insulation, solar panels, and mechanical ventilation with heat recovery.
However, in that case, the design must be very precise, and materials need to be chosen carefully.
This increases construction costs because it extends the lead time, as you have to do calculations and apply some brainpower...
Most clients don’t want that... They want to keep the double burden as low as possible, so they rely on proven methods like masonry plus insulation.
The situation is even worse with apartment buildings. Owners do not care whether tenants save energy or not. Every measure following the energy saving regulations justifies rent increases, and loans for renovations are available at low interest rates...
The title of this thread is more than nonsensical... Insulation has always been good and reasonable... you just have to think it through...
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