ᐅ How can you bypass energy-saving regulations and avoid bureaucratic hassle?

toxicmolotow schrieb:
Hello, despite 27 posts, no one has addressed the main point yet, which surprises me.

Of course, you can build "without the Energy Saving Ordinance." The law does allow this option. The current regulations include exceptions and exemptions. The challenge is convincing the relevant authority of this request.

This mainly concerns cases of undue hardship and disproportionate investments related to the energy-saving requirements. And with that, I wish you good luck with your argument. A bit of comfortable living climate, a breathable house, and some conspiracy theory won’t help you here. You have to back it up with facts (both physical and economic).

The legal basis can be found in §25 of the Energy Saving Ordinance 2014, Section 6 (this also applies to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016).

And just for your information: five minutes of googling would probably have been enough to find this out without the help of this forum.

Hello Toxicmolotow,

thank you for the hints!

I’m currently watching Mr. Fischer’s videos, where exactly this point about exemptions from the Energy Saving Ordinance is discussed. Very interesting.
Economically, proving the lack of profitability shouldn’t be impossible now.
Whether it is necessary to argue physically, I have not found anywhere... It does not really matter at the moment anyway.

I had already suspected that a lot of politics is involved here, and less “environmental protection.”

Farilo schrieb:
I’m currently watching videos by a Konrad Fischer. Somehow, he really speaks to me.

Farilo schrieb:
I have to say, this Fischer definitely has a few good arguments on his side... Wow.

Fischer. That many people find him likeable doesn’t really surprise anyone who has read my views in this forum (which are not far from yours, I really liked the Riester comparison) on insulation extremism and external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS). Konrad Fischer is someone about whom many heated debates arise regarding whether he knows more or has more opponents (or both, and whether the two are connected). A major challenge in this field is that following the explanations from both “sides” requires understanding physics far beyond basic school knowledge. This makes it easy for superficial arguments (again, from both “sides”) to appear convincing at first glance, much to the delight of the zealots.

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toxicmolotow schrieb:
This person is well known in the construction industry, like a colorful character. Just like Oliver Knöbel on the Reeperbahn.

But that won’t help you. Your architect has to submit the exemption request, supported by a specific, case-related set of data.

And where exactly should the problem be? I can discuss the matter with an architect and proceed accordingly, right?

I don’t understand why this is portrayed here as something impossible. After all, there are relevant laws and procedures...
Especially here in the forum, I would have thought there are SEVERAL people who follow this approach and don’t get intimidated by arbitrary decisions from the building authorities.

11ant schrieb:
Fischer. That I find him likeable probably doesn’t surprise anyone who has read my views here in the forum (not far from yours; I liked the Riester comparison) regarding insulation extremism and ETICS. Konrad Fischer is someone people often argue about heatedly—whether he has more expertise or more opponents (or both, and whether that is connected). One major challenge in this topic is that following the explanations (from both "sides") requires understanding physics well beyond basic school knowledge. This can make superficial arguments (again: from both "sides") seem convincing, much to the delight of the zealots.

I appreciate his perspective and approach. His style is somewhat weak… I mean, in my opinion, he sometimes doesn’t present his arguments clearly enough. But that’s probably a matter of taste.

Mr. Fischer naturally has a vast amount of practical knowledge from his background. Compared to that, we mostly fall short here. Another point in his favor is that he isn’t trying to sell us anything directly. Sure, he gives lectures and is paid for them. But that doesn’t change the fact that his arguments and evidence are very solid. That’s why he’s been so successful with exemptions.

A good man, Fischer. Let’s see if we can get in touch with him or if there are similar architects here in the north.

What arbitrariness are you talking about? The energy saving regulations are publicly available and not a secret.

Hire an architect who shares your approach and follow your own path. Whether this will be cheaper than the small amount spent on pipe insulation, I would doubt, since you have not shown that your building justifies it (for example, in terms of protected facades or similar). Insulation also has the potential to pay for itself, whereas fees are lost money.

Regarding Konrad Fischer... in every field, there are people who pursue their agenda through confrontation. Likewise, there is a type of person who is drawn to that. Nothing will change about that, so discussing it is entirely pointless. Mr. Fischer will certainly be happy to take your money to work for you, carrying out his ideological battle in your name.

Alex85 schrieb:
What arbitrariness are you talking about? The Energy Saving Ordinance is publicly available and not a secret.
Get an architect who shares your views and follow your own path. Whether that is cheaper than the small expense for pipe insulation, I doubt it, since you have not shown that your building is worth it (in terms of, for example, protected facades or similar). Insulation also has the chance to pay off, while fees are gone for good.

Regarding Konrad Fischer... in every field there are people who take a contrarian approach. And there are also people who are attracted to that type. Nothing will change about that, so any discussion is completely pointless. Mr. Fischer will surely gladly take your money to work for you and fight his ideological battle in your name.

Hello Alex,

What arbitrariness? I’m referring to the arbitrary decisions sometimes made by authorities. Mr. Fischer cites (with evidence) that the building office occasionally makes arbitrary decisions, only to later reverse them.
If you haven’t yet had any experience with arbitrariness in public administration, I’m happy for you.

Whether someone who represents their own (and many others’) interests very effectively in arguments can be labeled a troublemaker is beyond my knowledge.

There will always be people who accept whatever obstacles are placed in their way, no matter how unreasonable. And that’s fine. Others, however, tackle the problem at its root and try to eliminate it.

Only dead fish swim with the current.