ᐅ Floor plan design for a hillside house with 5 children's bedrooms
Created on: 17 Jun 2017 12:31
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Arifas
Dear fellow contributors,
I’m sharing our first attempt at the floor plan. Unfortunately, I can’t fill out the list because copying it over on my phone doesn’t work properly, sorry.
Key data:
5 children between 0 and 11 years old
2 adults in their mid-thirties
Plot of about 900 sqm (9700 sq ft), facing north
Building window edge on the street side: 17.35 m (57 ft)
Sloped site; within the building window, the ground rises about 2 m (7 ft) over 10 m (33 ft) from front to back
We want 5 small children’s bedrooms, a slightly larger office for working from home, a master bedroom, three showers, three toilets, a bathtub, and access to the garden through the living room on the upper floor. One wall in the children’s rooms should be removable later.
The attic is walkable.
We are allowed to build 2 full stories, with a ridge height of about 12 m (39 ft) and an eave height of 11.6 m (38 ft).
We would prefer a hip roof.
The current drawing is 9.5 by 11 m (31 by 36 ft), but we would like to have around 195 to 205 sqm (2100 to 2200 sq ft) of living space later; garage or storage will be added.
The back wall of the house is embedded up to about 2 m (7 ft) into the slope.
I will try to attach a rough overview of the plot.
I’m sharing our first attempt at the floor plan. Unfortunately, I can’t fill out the list because copying it over on my phone doesn’t work properly, sorry.
Key data:
5 children between 0 and 11 years old
2 adults in their mid-thirties
Plot of about 900 sqm (9700 sq ft), facing north
Building window edge on the street side: 17.35 m (57 ft)
Sloped site; within the building window, the ground rises about 2 m (7 ft) over 10 m (33 ft) from front to back
We want 5 small children’s bedrooms, a slightly larger office for working from home, a master bedroom, three showers, three toilets, a bathtub, and access to the garden through the living room on the upper floor. One wall in the children’s rooms should be removable later.
The attic is walkable.
We are allowed to build 2 full stories, with a ridge height of about 12 m (39 ft) and an eave height of 11.6 m (38 ft).
We would prefer a hip roof.
The current drawing is 9.5 by 11 m (31 by 36 ft), but we would like to have around 195 to 205 sqm (2100 to 2200 sq ft) of living space later; garage or storage will be added.
The back wall of the house is embedded up to about 2 m (7 ft) into the slope.
I will try to attach a rough overview of the plot.
ypg schrieb:
I notice that the planner basically just traced your sketch. Exactly.
Arifas schrieb:
Do you think it would be easier with 3 levels? Or four? – I’m thinking of a basement with utility rooms, ground floor, first floor, and a converted attic (without knee walls, the height should work).
Just make a list with Post-its or something similar. Put an anchor room, like the living room, in the middle of a page. Then “stick” all the rooms that should be on the same floor on that page. Each note has the room name and size in square meters. Maximum floor area budget, for example, 75 to 80 sqm (plus hallways) per full story.
If only one of the children is a girl—in other words, four boys—there will probably be phases when two of them want to share a room. I would divide the children into four rooms: a large one for the oldest child, a large one for two children, and two small ones for two single children.
In my opinion, 10 sqm (107 sq ft) children’s bedrooms are more like sleeping rooms, where homework gets done at the kitchen table. A teenager will go crazy in such a cramped space. And as they grow older, the children will also likely want to spend several hours apart from each other.
Personally, I consider 2.5 meters (8 ft 2 in) wide for the short side as a boundary: anything smaller than that is, in my opinion, a "half room." The position of doors and windows already imposes enough restrictions on how furniture can be arranged. Eventually, the limitations outweigh the benefits.
In practice, living in a house is a yes or no matter, not "maybe" or "a little." Also keep in mind the tax office regulations (spatial separation).
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Steffen8027 Jun 2017 08:02Arifas schrieb:
I’m not familiar with accounting for business purposes. I’ll have to look into it. That actually sounds interesting.I’ve dealt extensively with tax consultants and business advisors on this. Due to very high tax rates, deducting a home office plus a bathroom would have saved me a lot of money.
The result: I decided against it. No business setup... no tax savings. The entire house is for private use. Why? Because we live in an area with a very likely increase in property value in case of a future sale, which could cause issues with capital gains tax. The only problem is, I don’t know if I will still have enough money “later” to pay several tens of thousands in taxes.
Regards, Steffen
Arifas schrieb:
I think one of the best-kept secrets is that the nicely prepared children’s rooms often stay empty for a long time, or you end up walking many miles between the rooms at night. But well, every child is different...I totally agree with that. The children’s room is pretty much the only thing I haven’t missed in recent months.
A family bed is priceless, and I say that as someone who was completely against family beds. Although in about two years, you’ll probably have only one child left at most, if any. I think you can plan with a regular double bed. That works well here too, even though I have a little busybody.
Teenagers tend to retreat more to their rooms and need more space. I actually like the idea of the garden shed—it offers some peace in the evenings at least.
Their interests also diverge more and more, and a 14-year-old who has to study for an exam finds it difficult to sit at a table with a 3-year-old who behaves like a toddler.
I quite like ypg’s basement layout, especially since the children’s rooms are still not very large but the space is usable.
If a home office or practice is planned later, 11ant’s suggestion would also work well.
With the upstairs layout you drew, achieving the necessary flexibility will be difficult. ypg’s plan is more open, and I still find having the kitchen facing the garden better, especially since your children spend a lot of time outdoors.
11ant is right, less than 2.5m (8 feet) is really tight. That would only work—if necessary—for the youngest child, who could later “inherit” one of the older kids’ rooms. But it would definitely be better to have more space.
I really like the idea of using Post-its! I’ll try that soon (right now, three kids are sick, so it might take a while…)
Steffen, your plan to decline tax benefits related to working from home seems sensible in your case. Those are quite significant amounts.
But is it reasonable for us too? As I said, I’m not familiar with this. We’re likely to have a mortgage payment of about 1600 euros (approximately $1,700), which is similar to what we pay now for our older property. My husband is a civil servant. We need the space. It’s probably very unlikely that we will ever sell. Or am I missing something? What would you do?
Haydee, my husband would absolutely agree with your prediction about co-sleeping in two years. I’m considering it seriously.
I find the idea of having the kitchen facing the garden somehow difficult to get used to. Hmm. Is it just habit? Or is there a reason behind that uneasy feeling?
I really like the idea of using Post-its! I’ll try that soon (right now, three kids are sick, so it might take a while…)
Steffen, your plan to decline tax benefits related to working from home seems sensible in your case. Those are quite significant amounts.
But is it reasonable for us too? As I said, I’m not familiar with this. We’re likely to have a mortgage payment of about 1600 euros (approximately $1,700), which is similar to what we pay now for our older property. My husband is a civil servant. We need the space. It’s probably very unlikely that we will ever sell. Or am I missing something? What would you do?
Haydee, my husband would absolutely agree with your prediction about co-sleeping in two years. I’m considering it seriously.
I find the idea of having the kitchen facing the garden somehow difficult to get used to. Hmm. Is it just habit? Or is there a reason behind that uneasy feeling?
ypg schrieb:
That’s due to your parenting style, the cuddly bed thing. I hear from all sides that it’s not good for children in the long run, but that’s not the subject here... I’m not looking to argue with a psychologist either.
I’ll see if I can plan other ideas!
Regards, Yvonne Yes, we consciously choose a needs-based parenting approach, and it works great for all of us. That’s the wonderful thing about parenting – there are countless ways to live together as a family, as long as everyone feels comfortable with it [emoji7]. And if you were around me, the perspectives would be different [emoji41].
But I think it’s great that everyone can decide freely according to their family’s individual needs [emoji4].
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