ᐅ Semi-detached house: ours without a basement, neighbor’s with a basement
Created on: 21 Jun 2017 18:05
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kamda
Hello everyone,
We are about to be awarded a plot of land for a semi-detached house.
Therefore, we are currently organizing the financing. Since our budget is quite tight, we plan to build without a basement. Construction is supposed to start soon.
We do not yet know the buyer of the other half, so we are not aware of their plans.
Our main concern now is, what happens if the neighbor wants to build a basement?
Is the neighbor required to start construction before us?
There is a building obligation / planning permission requirement within 5 years. What if we build immediately (without a basement) and the neighbor only builds later, for example in 5 years (with a basement)? We are worried that our house could be damaged as a result (for example to the foundation slab).
Would the neighbor then have to provide appropriate support for our house?
Thank you very much in advance for your answers!
David
We are about to be awarded a plot of land for a semi-detached house.
Therefore, we are currently organizing the financing. Since our budget is quite tight, we plan to build without a basement. Construction is supposed to start soon.
We do not yet know the buyer of the other half, so we are not aware of their plans.
Our main concern now is, what happens if the neighbor wants to build a basement?
Is the neighbor required to start construction before us?
There is a building obligation / planning permission requirement within 5 years. What if we build immediately (without a basement) and the neighbor only builds later, for example in 5 years (with a basement)? We are worried that our house could be damaged as a result (for example to the foundation slab).
Would the neighbor then have to provide appropriate support for our house?
Thank you very much in advance for your answers!
David
Wow, first of all, thank you very much for the many good responses in such a short time.
Today we learned from the municipality that we will only be informed about the neighbors once both notary appointments have been confirmed. This means we have to wait until then. Of course, we will speak with the neighbors beforehand to find out their plans. Maybe we can even agree on a joint developer. (Would that actually make it cheaper for both parties?)
Yes, we would basically like to build a basement, but since the land here in the Munich outskirts costs more than the house, there will (probably) unfortunately be no budget left for a basement (about 70,000 Euros including everything).
We have already inquired with some builders about the costs. They mentioned expenses in the range of 8,000 to 10,000 Euros for the earthworks (is that the correct term?) on our plot if the neighbor builds a basement. From what I understand in the previous comments, we have to bear these costs if the neighbor’s basement is already built, meaning he starts before us or at the same time. Is that correct?
Today we learned from the municipality that we will only be informed about the neighbors once both notary appointments have been confirmed. This means we have to wait until then. Of course, we will speak with the neighbors beforehand to find out their plans. Maybe we can even agree on a joint developer. (Would that actually make it cheaper for both parties?)
Yes, we would basically like to build a basement, but since the land here in the Munich outskirts costs more than the house, there will (probably) unfortunately be no budget left for a basement (about 70,000 Euros including everything).
We have already inquired with some builders about the costs. They mentioned expenses in the range of 8,000 to 10,000 Euros for the earthworks (is that the correct term?) on our plot if the neighbor builds a basement. From what I understand in the previous comments, we have to bear these costs if the neighbor’s basement is already built, meaning he starts before us or at the same time. Is that correct?
11ant schrieb:Only semi-detached houses are allowed on this plot. Our side would be the right one. This is a plot being sold directly by the municipality.
Is it specified which of your neighbors (left or right) would be your semi-detached partner? Are only semi-detached houses permitted, or are detached houses allowed as well?
11ant schrieb:The plot is almost completely flat except for a minimal slope (barely visible).
Is it just your budget, or is the land (for example, due to more than half a meter slope in the building area) more "pro basement"?
Write to the local authority stating that you waive data protection and request that your address be shared with the other party.
There are matters that need to be discussed in advance, specifically with the "other half."
Agree on a general contractor (GC) – I really don’t understand the authority here: selling a contiguous plot of land separately. That will only cause problems.
Best regards, Yvonne
There are matters that need to be discussed in advance, specifically with the "other half."
Agree on a general contractor (GC) – I really don’t understand the authority here: selling a contiguous plot of land separately. That will only cause problems.
Best regards, Yvonne
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Bieber081522 Jun 2017 11:46kamda schrieb:
(Does this actually make it cheaper for both parties?) Yes, cheaper in the sense of more efficient and smoother construction process. It also saves money through spreading fixed costs. How much of that benefit reaches you is hard to say.
I would strongly recommend trying to have the semi-detached house built as a single construction project. Each party can still have their own floor plan, interior design, and building services.
Does anyone here have practical experience with this? Specifically the setup with two builders, one general contractor, one semi-detached house? How is this usually handled contractually? Often a developer builds a semi-detached house and then sells the halves separately.
Oh, the discussion again...
No, both semi-detached houses do not have to be built by the same construction company, and there will still be no problems... Always these myths.
@ypg: I think it’s more likely that the city won’t release the names of the other buyers so people don’t change their minds and back out at the last minute. This has nothing to do with data protection.
No, both semi-detached houses do not have to be built by the same construction company, and there will still be no problems... Always these myths.
@ypg: I think it’s more likely that the city won’t release the names of the other buyers so people don’t change their minds and back out at the last minute. This has nothing to do with data protection.
ypg schrieb:
Write to the municipality stating that you waive data protection and ask them to share your address with the others.
There are things you need to agree on in advance, and that means with the "other party." I have written to the municipality again now, confirming that we agree to an early data release.
tempic schrieb:
@ypg: I think the city just doesn’t release the names of the other buyers so that no one changes their mind and pulls out at the last minute. It has nothing to do with data protection. Yes, I suspect so too. They are probably afraid that buyers will back out if they don’t get along well with their neighbors...
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Bieber081522 Jun 2017 14:42tempic schrieb:
No, both semi-detached houses don’t have to be built by the same construction company, and it won’t cause any problems I have yet to hear of a construction project that didn’t involve some issues. So why add extra complexity on purpose? Of course, it can work well, but you just need to manage things a bit more carefully than usual (interface coordination). You basically need "only" two(!) competent site managers, and most are happy to find even one.tempic schrieb:
I think the city won’t release the other buyers’ names to prevent last-minute cancellations or changes of mind. It’s not about data protection. Of course, whether and how personal data is shared with third parties is a matter of data protection. And if one buyer backs out, you simply take the next one nowadays.Similar topics