ᐅ Floor plan design for a hillside house with 5 children's bedrooms
Created on: 17 Jun 2017 12:31
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Arifas
Dear fellow contributors,
I’m sharing our first attempt at the floor plan. Unfortunately, I can’t fill out the list because copying it over on my phone doesn’t work properly, sorry.
Key data:
5 children between 0 and 11 years old
2 adults in their mid-thirties
Plot of about 900 sqm (9700 sq ft), facing north
Building window edge on the street side: 17.35 m (57 ft)
Sloped site; within the building window, the ground rises about 2 m (7 ft) over 10 m (33 ft) from front to back
We want 5 small children’s bedrooms, a slightly larger office for working from home, a master bedroom, three showers, three toilets, a bathtub, and access to the garden through the living room on the upper floor. One wall in the children’s rooms should be removable later.
The attic is walkable.
We are allowed to build 2 full stories, with a ridge height of about 12 m (39 ft) and an eave height of 11.6 m (38 ft).
We would prefer a hip roof.
The current drawing is 9.5 by 11 m (31 by 36 ft), but we would like to have around 195 to 205 sqm (2100 to 2200 sq ft) of living space later; garage or storage will be added.
The back wall of the house is embedded up to about 2 m (7 ft) into the slope.
I will try to attach a rough overview of the plot.
I’m sharing our first attempt at the floor plan. Unfortunately, I can’t fill out the list because copying it over on my phone doesn’t work properly, sorry.
Key data:
5 children between 0 and 11 years old
2 adults in their mid-thirties
Plot of about 900 sqm (9700 sq ft), facing north
Building window edge on the street side: 17.35 m (57 ft)
Sloped site; within the building window, the ground rises about 2 m (7 ft) over 10 m (33 ft) from front to back
We want 5 small children’s bedrooms, a slightly larger office for working from home, a master bedroom, three showers, three toilets, a bathtub, and access to the garden through the living room on the upper floor. One wall in the children’s rooms should be removable later.
The attic is walkable.
We are allowed to build 2 full stories, with a ridge height of about 12 m (39 ft) and an eave height of 11.6 m (38 ft).
We would prefer a hip roof.
The current drawing is 9.5 by 11 m (31 by 36 ft), but we would like to have around 195 to 205 sqm (2100 to 2200 sq ft) of living space later; garage or storage will be added.
The back wall of the house is embedded up to about 2 m (7 ft) into the slope.
I will try to attach a rough overview of the plot.
So far, we have obtained two quotes from local concrete builders. They would build us a house of about 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) with the same rooms (different layout due to a different plot) for around 300,000 plus additional costs, including the foundation slab, gas heating or an air source heat pump, and underfloor heating. That’s roughly the plan. Friends of ours are currently building something similar with about this budget. We could afford more, but we would rather not. The plot costs around 80,000 euros.
Who do you mean by professionals?
The plot could accommodate a larger house, but I think that would exceed the budget, and once the children have moved out, what would we do with the extra space?
Who do you mean by professionals?
The plot could accommodate a larger house, but I think that would exceed the budget, and once the children have moved out, what would we do with the extra space?
Arifas schrieb:
I have now drawn 9.5 by 11 m, we would later like to have about 195 to 205 sqm (2100 to 2207 sq ft) of living space; I agree that it will probably have to be closer to 10.5 x 12 m (34.4 x 39.4 ft) if you want to achieve 200 sqm (2153 sq ft). Some rearranging will be necessary, so I won’t even address the angled entrance situation in the small bathroom for now – hopefully that will be resolved later.
Arifas schrieb:
5 children between 0 and 11 years In practice, this means 1) the oldest will be studying while the youngest hits puberty – so changing needs should be planned for; 2) the house will be quite empty once all children move out; and 3) potential future buyers will be rare: having five children is uncommon nowadays. For this reason, I recommend designing the house so it can be divided into a two-family dwelling. This doesn’t necessarily mean two equally sized units even with two full stories. I would at least consider the option of converting, for example, three children’s rooms plus a bathroom into a separate apartment: a lightweight wall between two children’s rooms that can be removed later, and the third children’s room becomes a kitchen. The "rest" would then work as a unit for a two-child family. This makes it easier to subdivide or sell the house later.
Arifas schrieb:
The general contractor has an architect. We will plan in more detail with them. That definitely won’t be sufficient here; this supposed approach is borderline even for normal family homes. A general contractor’s drafted plans can never replace an architect commissioned directly by the client when creativity is needed. Don’t expect more than engineering solutions from them. Also, as I understand the terrain description, what is called the “ground floor” (EG) is partly an entrance and partly a basement level, while the hillside side only really has the “upper floor” (OG) above ground. The planning will, to say the least, not be trivial. A plan prepared only for permit application is not enough here, and with a GC’s planner, you generally end up as a “cash patient” (receiving minimal attention).
Arifas schrieb:
So far, we have received two offers from local builders of solid construction. They will build us a house of about 200 sqm (2153 sq ft) with these rooms (different layout due to different plot) for about 300,000 Apart from the fact that construction specifications are a whole science in themselves and there is more than just a slight slope here: your plan only yields about 170 sqm (1829 sq ft) (otherwise you need about one meter (3.3 ft) more in both dimensions).
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Steffen8017 Jun 2017 14:34200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) of living space for 300,000 is not feasible in 2017 or later. More likely, this would only be possible with poor workmanship or builders from Eastern Europe. Don’t let yourself be fooled. No one will build for 1,500 EUR per sqm (about 140 USD per sq ft) anymore. At most, you can build it yourself for that price.
Okay, I wasn’t aware of the architect situation. Many thanks for the tip! We might look into that further if needed.
Regarding the exterior dimensions: yes, they will most likely change from what they are now. I just didn’t know how much wall thickness we need to add on top, so I made an estimate. We could extend further to the back, but probably not to the side since the building envelope is only 17.35 m (57 feet) wide at the front. Or we could move the house further back, but then more of the slope would need to be excavated, which is also not ideal.
I really like the idea of having two separate living units! We’ll have to reconsider things from scratch with that. But it definitely makes sense! It is also allowed according to the development plan.
A lightweight partition wall between two children’s bedrooms would be good, so it can later be removed to create one “normal” sized bedroom.
I would also find partial rental in older age interesting.
Regarding the exterior dimensions: yes, they will most likely change from what they are now. I just didn’t know how much wall thickness we need to add on top, so I made an estimate. We could extend further to the back, but probably not to the side since the building envelope is only 17.35 m (57 feet) wide at the front. Or we could move the house further back, but then more of the slope would need to be excavated, which is also not ideal.
I really like the idea of having two separate living units! We’ll have to reconsider things from scratch with that. But it definitely makes sense! It is also allowed according to the development plan.
A lightweight partition wall between two children’s bedrooms would be good, so it can later be removed to create one “normal” sized bedroom.
I would also find partial rental in older age interesting.
For comparing different offers: it’s really quite difficult to see what exactly is included in the quote and what are additional costs. We have tried to consider only earthworks, utility connections, and fees as extra costs and budgeted 40,000 euros (about 43,800 USD).
On top of that, there will be costs for stabilizing the slope, a prefabricated garage, and a fence of 60 meters (197 feet). I can’t really estimate those. The slope to be stabilized would be about 3 meters (10 feet) wide and 2.7 meters (9 feet) high on the right side of the house, and about 1 meter (3 feet) wide and 2.7 meters (9 feet) high on the left side. Next to these areas, there will be some grading.
Does anyone have an estimate for stabilizing the slope using L-shaped retaining walls?
Regarding the floor plan again: would you rather omit the small utility room or pantry on the upper floor? It’s meant to hold a freezer, some food storage, and the vacuum cleaner. Would that be too cramped?
On top of that, there will be costs for stabilizing the slope, a prefabricated garage, and a fence of 60 meters (197 feet). I can’t really estimate those. The slope to be stabilized would be about 3 meters (10 feet) wide and 2.7 meters (9 feet) high on the right side of the house, and about 1 meter (3 feet) wide and 2.7 meters (9 feet) high on the left side. Next to these areas, there will be some grading.
Does anyone have an estimate for stabilizing the slope using L-shaped retaining walls?
Regarding the floor plan again: would you rather omit the small utility room or pantry on the upper floor? It’s meant to hold a freezer, some food storage, and the vacuum cleaner. Would that be too cramped?
Steffen80 schrieb:
200 sqm (2,150 sq.ft) of living space for 300k is not feasible in 2017 and beyond. Or probably only possible with “shoddy workmanship” or “professionals from Eastern Europe.” Don’t let yourselves be fooled. No one will build for less than 1,500 EUR (around 1,500 USD) per sqm anymore. At most, you can build it yourself. I actually share this concern, I have to say. How can I find out if it is shoddy workmanship?
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