Hello everyone,
I think my question might be a bit silly, but I haven’t found an answer yet, and I might be searching in the wrong way, so I wanted to explain my situation.
In our house, we have installed Cat 7 cables on 4 floors with the corresponding network outlets (RJ45). All these Cat 7 cables lead to the connection room in the basement, where the main telecom connection will also be located.
Now, the internet/telephone/TV service from the telecom provider enters the connection room.
Here is my actual question: I assume the Cat 7 cables will be connected to the "internet" in the connection room. However, we want to place our Wi-Fi router on the ground floor, so NOT in the connection room. Is this even possible?
On the ground floor, where we want to place the Wi-Fi router, the following connections are available:
1 x network outlet (Cat 7)
1 x telephone
Sorry if this is probably the most basic question ever, but I really don’t have enough knowledge about this.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
benkler1401
I think my question might be a bit silly, but I haven’t found an answer yet, and I might be searching in the wrong way, so I wanted to explain my situation.
In our house, we have installed Cat 7 cables on 4 floors with the corresponding network outlets (RJ45). All these Cat 7 cables lead to the connection room in the basement, where the main telecom connection will also be located.
Now, the internet/telephone/TV service from the telecom provider enters the connection room.
Here is my actual question: I assume the Cat 7 cables will be connected to the "internet" in the connection room. However, we want to place our Wi-Fi router on the ground floor, so NOT in the connection room. Is this even possible?
On the ground floor, where we want to place the Wi-Fi router, the following connections are available:
1 x network outlet (Cat 7)
1 x telephone
Sorry if this is probably the most basic question ever, but I really don’t have enough knowledge about this.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
benkler1401
Karsten, I could also say: "The older generation always complains about the media use of the younger generation."
I once read an interesting article about how, in the beginning, reading books on trams was viewed very critically by the older generation because it supposedly led to people no longer talking to each other, making books "dangerous" and causing people to become less intelligent.
But I won’t say that. Instead, I recommend the following article on heise.de:
"Statistically speaking": Linear TV and video on demand are equally popular among young people. Especially the graphic at the bottom of the statistics basically says it all.
(Linking is unfortunately not allowed)
This is about a shift in media consumption and the resulting need for different wiring. You now have more than one power outlet per room, right? Your grandpa might have shaken his head at that, too.
I once read an interesting article about how, in the beginning, reading books on trams was viewed very critically by the older generation because it supposedly led to people no longer talking to each other, making books "dangerous" and causing people to become less intelligent.
But I won’t say that. Instead, I recommend the following article on heise.de:
"Statistically speaking": Linear TV and video on demand are equally popular among young people. Especially the graphic at the bottom of the statistics basically says it all.
(Linking is unfortunately not allowed)
This is about a shift in media consumption and the resulting need for different wiring. You now have more than one power outlet per room, right? Your grandpa might have shaken his head at that, too.
I have a lot of network sockets throughout the house and I do use them. However, if it's just about distributing internet access, Wi-Fi is more than sufficient. With proper planning, the internet speed will never drop.
My last apartment was right in the city center, and I saw around 30 other Wi-Fi networks nearby, yet it still easily handled distributing multiple Netflix streams.
Nonetheless, today I would have Ethernet installed in every room just for resale value reasons. It costs little, and you never know when it might come in handy.
My last apartment was right in the city center, and I saw around 30 other Wi-Fi networks nearby, yet it still easily handled distributing multiple Netflix streams.
Nonetheless, today I would have Ethernet installed in every room just for resale value reasons. It costs little, and you never know when it might come in handy.
ypg schrieb:
What do you mean by network technology?It’s about "structured cabling." Simply put, instead of connecting only, for example, the two wires needed for a telephone from eight-wire cables at a socket, all wires are connected. This way, thanks to the "same standard" (the Western RJ45 connector format), you can connect any device—phone, PC, etc.—and cross-connect them at a patch panel in the main distribution frame of the house.
The sockets look identical on the outside but come in different quality levels. Those intended for "ISDN" only have connections for four wires; "network" sockets have connections for all eight wires and include shielding, which is especially important for higher data speeds. Therefore, "network sockets" are recommended.
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ypg schrieb:
Also to you: why should (or shouldn’t) homeowners be advised?
I don’t understand all this!
Does the house work without it, or how, or what is meant?Homeowners should not be advised to simply adopt Karsten’s personal preference as a benchmark.
The house will function even if you install a single traditional (TAE) socket for your telephone.
However, most people don’t want to spoil their beautiful new home with cable clips or messy tangled cables behind the TV. For this reason—and keeping in mind the fridge freezer that will reorder pizza from CeBit 2022 onwards—a network connection belongs in the pantry, and the entire house should be equipped with empty conduits (ducts) throughout.
Those who consider this over the top will continue living just fine.
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*) Analog telephones require only the first pair, ISDN devices require pairs 1 and 2, Ethernet LAN uses pairs 1 and 3, and Gigabit Ethernet LAN uses all four pairs. The "least common multiple" is therefore all four pairs; only then is the wiring truly universal.
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11ant schrieb:
This is about "structured cabling." Simply put, it means not just connecting the two wires needed for the telephone from an eight-wire cable at a socket, but always connecting all of them.Sorry, but that is completely wrong. Structured cabling is something entirely different and is definitely not implemented in a single-family house. Or are you suggesting distribution cabinets for every floor and fiber optic cables to connect the cabinets, etc.?
It initially has little to do with the wiring of the sockets.
77.willo schrieb:
Structured cabling is something completely different and is definitely not implemented in a single-family house. Homebuilders (and even more so, renovators) are hardcore enthusiasts when it comes to patch panels and Cat 7 cables. In medium-sized companies, installing such systems is more challenging, and existing cabling is much more often retained. Private users also dominate this topic in electronics forums.77.willo schrieb:
The wiring of the outlets has little to do with this at first. Well then—please, I’m looking forward to your explanation(s).https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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In my kitchen, a radio doesn’t need its own network cable; FM radio works just fine.
If you worry that the toaster can only be connected via Wi-Fi and not with its own cable, then you probably have bigger problems in life.
Desktop PCs are becoming less common. Smart devices (including the toaster) are usually connected via Wi-Fi—that’s just how it is.
RJ45 connectors reduce the performance of your Cat7 cable; technically, different connectors would be needed for full performance, but that’s more a matter for the future. According to current technology, Cat6 would be just as good.
There are already many threads on this exact topic with very similar discussions, so feel free to use the search function.
To stay practical and to help the thread starter:
- many good points have already been made
- consider where fixed devices might be placed (e.g., PC, TV)
- think about where you want Wi-Fi coverage, what signal strength you need in the worst case, and how to achieve it (one Wi-Fi transmitter—whether a router or access point—can only cover the next floor with significant signal loss, and corners may have no signal)
- if you want complete coverage, you need a Wi-Fi access point on each floor
- where should those be located?
- every Wi-Fi access point requires its own network cable
- if access points are not possible due to a lack of cables, then Wi-Fi repeaters might be used as a last resort, or a powerline network can be set up
- both options are really unacceptable in a new build due to poor planning
- all network cables are brought together centrally in a connection room into a patch panel
- using a switch next to the patch panel, all cables can be connected into one network
- either you have a modem there feeding the internet into the network through the switch
- or (as we do) two network cables run in parallel to the kitchen: one carries the line from the main connection (TAE) to the Wi-Fi router in the kitchen, the other carries the signal back to the switch/patch panel, feeding the network
- wherever a network cable ends, you can then connect devices such as TVs, PCs, or Wi-Fi access points
- whether you need two LAN outlets in every room depends, for example, on whether you want both a PC and a TV connected in the child’s room or if that doesn’t matter to you
- it doesn’t hurt (except to your wallet)
- having network wiring installed by an electrician is usually very expensive in terms of quotes
- actually, you only need empty conduits, double network outlets, and cables
- material costs for network wiring (without devices) for a single-family home are under €500 (prices from Amazon)
- labor time (based on our own work) is under 20 hours (for one person)
If you worry that the toaster can only be connected via Wi-Fi and not with its own cable, then you probably have bigger problems in life.
Desktop PCs are becoming less common. Smart devices (including the toaster) are usually connected via Wi-Fi—that’s just how it is.
RJ45 connectors reduce the performance of your Cat7 cable; technically, different connectors would be needed for full performance, but that’s more a matter for the future. According to current technology, Cat6 would be just as good.
There are already many threads on this exact topic with very similar discussions, so feel free to use the search function.
To stay practical and to help the thread starter:
- many good points have already been made
- consider where fixed devices might be placed (e.g., PC, TV)
- think about where you want Wi-Fi coverage, what signal strength you need in the worst case, and how to achieve it (one Wi-Fi transmitter—whether a router or access point—can only cover the next floor with significant signal loss, and corners may have no signal)
- if you want complete coverage, you need a Wi-Fi access point on each floor
- where should those be located?
- every Wi-Fi access point requires its own network cable
- if access points are not possible due to a lack of cables, then Wi-Fi repeaters might be used as a last resort, or a powerline network can be set up
- both options are really unacceptable in a new build due to poor planning
- all network cables are brought together centrally in a connection room into a patch panel
- using a switch next to the patch panel, all cables can be connected into one network
- either you have a modem there feeding the internet into the network through the switch
- or (as we do) two network cables run in parallel to the kitchen: one carries the line from the main connection (TAE) to the Wi-Fi router in the kitchen, the other carries the signal back to the switch/patch panel, feeding the network
- wherever a network cable ends, you can then connect devices such as TVs, PCs, or Wi-Fi access points
- whether you need two LAN outlets in every room depends, for example, on whether you want both a PC and a TV connected in the child’s room or if that doesn’t matter to you
- it doesn’t hurt (except to your wallet)
- having network wiring installed by an electrician is usually very expensive in terms of quotes
- actually, you only need empty conduits, double network outlets, and cables
- material costs for network wiring (without devices) for a single-family home are under €500 (prices from Amazon)
- labor time (based on our own work) is under 20 hours (for one person)
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