Hello,
We are currently building and during our last site visit, we made our first negative observation: Our neighbor has an outdoor heat pump installation with the exhaust facing directly onto our property, partially affecting our terrace.
The distance between the heat pump outlet and our house wall is about 4 meters (13 feet). It is a Viessmann V 200. Now we have a constant humming noise that can also be heard on our balcony, which is about 6 meters (20 feet) away in a straight line.
Why would someone do this—poor planning or cheaper than an indoor installation?
Seriously, my question is: Are there any products that can help with this? I am thinking of a soundproof barrier, for example a 2-meter (6.5 feet) high wall running along the entire boundary (about 7 meters (23 feet)). What recommendations or experiences do you have?
We are currently building and during our last site visit, we made our first negative observation: Our neighbor has an outdoor heat pump installation with the exhaust facing directly onto our property, partially affecting our terrace.
The distance between the heat pump outlet and our house wall is about 4 meters (13 feet). It is a Viessmann V 200. Now we have a constant humming noise that can also be heard on our balcony, which is about 6 meters (20 feet) away in a straight line.
Why would someone do this—poor planning or cheaper than an indoor installation?
Seriously, my question is: Are there any products that can help with this? I am thinking of a soundproof barrier, for example a 2-meter (6.5 feet) high wall running along the entire boundary (about 7 meters (23 feet)). What recommendations or experiences do you have?
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Which brings me back to the question of liability in supply contracts or costs in case of a defect, if a member cannot or will not pay.
So: Who is liable and how?An unregistered association can still have legal capacity. Besides, ownership and operation can be separated.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Well, in principle, I really like combined heat and power plants or district heating, [...]
In addition, in a condominium owners’ association (COA / strata), the usual pros and cons apply.
At least I don’t have to worry about my own island.I don’t understand how you always link a communal heating system with a condominium owners’ association. No one intends to establish socialism.
Besides, islands can get pretty lonely for a Robinson Crusoe without a Friday.
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toxicmolotof26 Apr 2017 15:46Can you separate kes and two topics into one post?
1) Can you simply answer my question: who is liable in an unregistered legal association if supply contracts, for example for electricity, are not fulfilled? Who pays for repairs or replacement in case of a defect? And who pays if someone is unable to?
This question has nothing whatsoever to do with a homeowners’ association (HOA) or condominium association.
2) For local setups, such a combined heat and power unit (CHP) must also be installed somewhere. Since it won’t be in my or your basement, it is usually placed on its own plot of land. That’s where the issue with the HOA comes in. But never mind.
So, please just answer the questions in point 1.
1) Can you simply answer my question: who is liable in an unregistered legal association if supply contracts, for example for electricity, are not fulfilled? Who pays for repairs or replacement in case of a defect? And who pays if someone is unable to?
This question has nothing whatsoever to do with a homeowners’ association (HOA) or condominium association.
2) For local setups, such a combined heat and power unit (CHP) must also be installed somewhere. Since it won’t be in my or your basement, it is usually placed on its own plot of land. That’s where the issue with the HOA comes in. But never mind.
So, please just answer the questions in point 1.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Can you separate kes and two topics into one post?"kes and two topics": ? ? ?
toxicmolotow schrieb:
1) Can you simply answer my question about who assumes liability in an unregistered legal association,As with any association: the board of directors. And again: not all aspects of the whole mess need to be managed by the legal entity of the association.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
This question has absolutely nothing to do with a condominium owners association (HOA / strata company).Exactly.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
2) With local concepts, a combined heat and power unit (CHP) must also be located somewhere. Since it won't be in my or your basement, it is usually placed on its own property. That’s where the condominium association comes in. But whatever.No, that’s where your misconception lies: the unit can also simply be placed in an attached garage of the Hubers, Müllers, Meiers, or Schmidts. Wherever it is located – just either OR instead of AND. That’s the point: the “boiler” for six is not much bigger than for one alone.
And where it is installed, it can also be privately owned. It does not have to belong to everyone; I don’t hold shares or cooperative stakes in “my” municipal utility either. The (e.g. !) association might, in the extreme case, only save the “commercial” charges for the one who physically hosts the unit compared to the others.
[*) it is not strictly necessary to set up a network with only one “master”]
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Regarding the noisy heat pump again. In my opinion, it belongs to the main system and is therefore subject to the same regulations for setback distances as the main building. This means no construction within the setback areas. Has this been complied with? Or is there an exemption in the development plan / zoning ordinance?
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toxicmolotof26 Apr 2017 18:1411ant schrieb:
As with any association: the board. And again: not all aspects of the whole mess have to be controlled by the legal entity of the association.That is incorrect; all members are jointly and severally liable.
In other words, if your neighbor, who is also a member of the association, does not pay, the supplier can successfully claim the entire debt from you.
Furthermore, if the heating system is installed in the cellar or an extension (not the garage) on your neighbor’s property, who is unable to pay, it remains their sole property. Ownership cannot be transferred to the association.
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toxicmolotof26 Apr 2017 20:07I never said that something like this can’t work. I’m just saying that there are risks involved that nobody wants to take, and that’s why they usually have to be transferred to third parties (typically for a fee).
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