ᐅ ETICS with concrete construction or exposed concrete?

Created on: 14 Apr 2017 10:41
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alegend
Hello everyone,
since I haven’t made much progress in my other thread and @11ant has repeatedly suggested that I should please provide plans so something can be assessed here...
Well, now I’m finally sharing the plans – because we simply don’t know exactly what to do at this point.
Our project is explained in the thread
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/hausbau-aus-beton-vs-Energieeinsparverordnung-2016.23880/
It is being built together with an architect in design phases 1-8.

Two-story house floor plan with ground floor and basement, rooms, terrace, garage

Two facade views of a modern house with brown tones and stair steps

Architectural views: two house frontages, terrain, tree, human silhouettes

Modern 3D house view: white building with brown facade elements and stairs

Section through a multi-story house with living area, dressing room, and WC

I hope to get some input here now...
The main request is simply for an exposed concrete look on the interior load-bearing walls – since using concrete on the exterior is no longer an option.
Many thanks in advance to everyone who contributes ideas.
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Lumpi_LE
14 Apr 2017 11:30
Just try googling images for "sandwich concrete" to get a basic idea of what it is. It typically costs about 30-50% more per square meter (sqm) net compared to your option.
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alegend
14 Apr 2017 11:47
Marvinius schrieb:
Won’t the hallway and entrance area be a bit dark? The bedroom window is just above ground level, so you might as well make it a patio door. Do you really want the bedroom and bathroom to open directly onto the terrace? I would move the living room and kitchen to the basement, then you wouldn’t need the small kitchen down there. In any case, with the current design your elevator should be closer to the small kitchen in the basement.

Seems like a typical architect-designed house. Interesting to look at, but maybe difficult to live in... Your house is less than twice as wide as the garage. I find the proportions problematic because it emphasizes the garage too much.

To clarify: The bedroom window location is not final yet – it can be changed easily. It was different before because there was a balcony on the south side, which we didn’t want. The bedroom originally had a corner window like on the ground floor, but that is no longer feasible because of the terrace. The small kitchen is deliberately intended for me because I need an extra fridge and workspace for BBQ preparation – I prepare a lot of meat for smoking/grilling, and I also sharpen knives with whetstones here – so this was a specific wish and has to stay as planned. The elevator does not exist yet – only a shaft space is planned here. The area is fully usable, but it allows for the option to install an elevator later in case of limited mobility (not wheelchair-bound), which costs nothing upfront. Bathroom / dressing area: This will become a kind of glass niche to allow views outside and enhance the sense of space (to the south there is nothing but our land and a tree line – no neighbors or anything else, just a view!). This is actually what we want. The width of the garage cannot be changed – whether the proportions are right or not, there’s no alternative. The plot is simply not wider, and actually I find the garage even too narrow...
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alegend
14 Apr 2017 11:48
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Just try googling images for "sandwich concrete," and you will find many examples that give you a basic understanding of what it is.
It costs about 30-50% more per square meter (sqm) net compared to your option.

But aren’t we back to precast concrete elements here? We already discussed this topic in the other thread, right?!
According to ant1, due to prefabrication with batch size 1, it’s not feasible to achieve realistic prices?!
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Lumpi_LE
14 Apr 2017 12:01
You can do this using precast elements, cast-in-place concrete, or a combination of both. Since you want concrete on the inside anyway, and you also need insulation, the difference lies in the plaster finish. Plaster costs around €50 per square meter (about $55 per square foot), while a precast panel used as a curtain wall costs roughly €80 per square meter (about $9 per square foot), including mounting.

If the look is important to you, then the additional cost of around €6000 (about $6600) isn’t that significant.
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Alex85
14 Apr 2017 12:06
Thousands of builders construct basements using concrete in sandwich panel technique (just take a look at the precast basement manufacturers). In principle, this can also be done above ground.
KingSong14 Apr 2017 12:20
11m2 (118ft²) for the child and 17m2 (183ft²) for the parents to sleep despite having a walk-in closet? I would prioritize more space for the child and scale back for myself... Why does the bed and sleeping area alone require 17m2 (183ft²)? The child could use that 17m2 (183ft²) much better... I’ll never understand that...