ᐅ Stepped upper floor (townhouse) or Frisian-style house with a flat roof gable?

Created on: 15 Mar 2017 14:13
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CarinaJ
Hello,

I have been reading along for a while now. We (2 adults without children) are considering making a change in our living situation. We are still looking at rental houses, but are gradually leaning towards buying a home. Existing properties are very hard to find. Honestly, in the last 2 years, I haven't found anything I even wanted to view (things look better on the rental market). We have already visited home shows and had a financial consultation. Our market research has shown that building is about the same price as buying existing properties (existing homes are not cheaper) and obviously also offers design advantages.

So, we are still at the very beginning. The reason for this post is that we have an appointment soon with a home builder (I already have countless catalogs here). The background is: we now know our financial situation, but we don't really know what the whole process might cost. Before we start properly (looking for land, etc.), we want to know what we can afford and whether we can get what we envision. Otherwise, we would probably wait longer.

Now we have a fundamental discussion. My partner would like to build a stepped-storey house (city villa). I basically like the idea, as long as it's not a plain box shape. There are different design options.

I have gone through various catalogs and come to the following conclusion: A city villa is significantly more expensive from the base price than, for example, a Frisian-style house or similar designs.

Our compromise would be something like a Frisian-style house with a flat gable roof.

After playing around with the floor plans, I realized something else: A city villa requires a much larger footprint than a "normal" house with a pitched roof. This, of course, affects the budget.

I have come up with the following pros and cons for myself:

City Villa:
Pros:
- Straight walls on both floors / no slanted ceilings
- Modern design

Cons:
- Price
- Less space overall
- No attic that can be converted

Frisian House with Flat Gable Roof:
Pros:
- Price
- Storage space
- Usable space under the roof

Cons:
- Sloped walls upstairs
- Either no skylights or you have to deal with the drawbacks of them
- Flat gable roof could present waterproofing challenges over time

To give you a better idea of what we are imagining:
- Double garage (with a room at the end)
- No open kitchen, but separated (e.g., with a sliding door) and still enough space for 4 people to comfortably eat in the kitchen; plus a dining room for 6 people as standard, possibly extendable to 8 or 10
- Guest toilet with shower on the ground floor
- Storage room (for house electronics, tools, canned goods, beverage crates, freezer on the ground floor)
- 2 children's rooms
- 1 main bedroom with walk-in closet (possibly 2 smaller walk-in closets also an option)
- Bathroom with bathtub and walk-in shower (90 x 120cm (35 x 47 inches)) and double sink
- Laundry room for washing machine, dryer, and space for drying clothes
- We need a “man cave” which can also be used as a home office (no external visitors)
- Ventilation system (central or decentralized still undecided) with heat recovery
- Small room for photography equipment, desk, and PC (an attic conversion would be ideal)
- Storage space for decorations not currently in use, suitcases, books, old toys, extra chairs, etc. (ideal: converted attic)
- Nice to have: a built-in masonry fireplace integrated into the wall so no chimney pipe is visible
- KfW 70 standard (though probably not KfW 70+ house)
- (For Frisian house) converted attic with fixed staircase

Additionally, if we had the option for someone to stay overnight properly, we would get visitors 2-3 times a year, each time 2-4 people. This is not a priority, though.

The next challenge I currently see is that I absolutely want a floor plan where the couch faces sideways to the window. So basically looking straight at the TV and to the right or left into the garden (south side). Such a floor plan seems impossible. Does anyone have an idea on this?

In summary:
- City villa: yes or no?
- Where would I get storage space in a city villa?
- Do I really need more square meters for a city villa?
- Is the city villa always more expensive?
- Can I fit my requirements in 150-160m² (1600-1700 sq ft)?
- How can I arrange the living room to have a side view into the garden and a direct TV view at the same time?

I understand that some will say that you can’t plan anything without land because only then do you know what the zoning/building permit/planning permission allows. But we want to know beforehand what we want and if it’s even feasible. It’s clear that the zoning and orientation of the plot will ultimately be decisive. We are already looking for plots and only consider those with a south orientation. What we want and what we actually get are, of course, two different things.

I would still appreciate helpful answers to these questions to make our project a bit more tangible.

Thank you very much.

Greetings from the far north.

CarinaJ
RobsonMKK15 Mar 2017 15:56
I believe you are still at the very beginning.
The plot of land determines what you are allowed to build.
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CarinaJ
15 Mar 2017 16:00
Of course, I’m just at the very beginning. But whether I’m allowed to build 2 full stories or 1.5, etc., there are still ways to work around that. For example, the ground floor can have a smaller area than the upper floor. If a plot is completely unsuitable because you can’t build the house there, then that plot is the wrong one. For instance, I would never buy a plot where an attic floor can’t fit in the end.
11ant15 Mar 2017 16:24
If you don’t have a plot of land yet, start by planning a house somewhat “in the abstract.” You need to have a starting point somewhere. Then you can discuss what to look for when buying land to ensure that your planned construction is allowed. I don’t quite follow your reasoning about why more space is needed or used; and I’m probably not the only one who can’t imagine a gable on a flat roof, and especially can’t see what would make a flat-roofed house “Frisian” (? ? ?)
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CarinaJ
15 Mar 2017 16:28
Hello,

The issue is simply that a typical house with a gable roof has many areas that aren't included in the official calculations, which means it feels like there is more storage space compared to a townhouse. A townhouse without a basement and without a usable attic offers less space than a house with a gable roof and sloped walls on the upper floor. Additionally, there is storage space in the converted attic.

How do others handle this with a townhouse? Is it always with a basement? You need somewhere to store the things that would otherwise go in the basement or attic.

This has nothing to do with traditional coastal house styles or a flat roof gable. I just wanted to clarify the direction the ideas are currently heading.

Best regards,

Carina
RobsonMKK15 Mar 2017 16:36
Are you from an area where affordable plots of land are available? Otherwise, you can consider the space requirements and the rooms you need. However, the rest is usually regulated by the local zoning plan or Section 34 (planning permission).
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CarinaJ
15 Mar 2017 16:40
Where can you still choose plots of land these days? You really have to search for them and have some luck and/or connections.

But now is the time to pay close attention to what to look out for in a plot. You don’t want a nasty surprise later on and end up not even wanting the land.

I don’t see it as that strict either. In residential areas, you see everything. Whether it’s 1.5 or 2 meters (5 feet or 6.5 feet) won’t be that important anymore. Around here, colors are often strictly regulated, for example. The critical point is more likely the buildable land area and related restrictions.