First Draft Single-Family House 150m² (1,615 ft²) with Basement
Requesting general comments, improvement suggestions, ideas, upstairs bathroom, etc.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 850m² (20x43m) (22,990 ft² (66x141 ft))
No slope
Site coverage ratio 0.35
Floor area ratio 0.60
Building lines and boundaries 3m (10 ft) west and south, 6m (20 ft) east
Edge development yes except east side
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories maximum two full floors
Roof type gable roof 22-48°, shed roof 8-20°
Architectural style no restriction
Orientation not specified, ridge direction only recommended
Maximum heights/limits maximum permitted building height 9.5m (31 ft), knee walls maximum 1.0m (3 ft)
Other requirements at least 2 parking spaces per residential unit
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type simple, no bay windows, two full floors, low-pitched gable roof
Basement and floors basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, age 29 and 30 (2 children planned after house completion)
Room requirements on ground and upper floor
Ground floor: living/dining, kitchen, pantry, bathroom;
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, master bedroom, bathroom
Office: family use or home office? for business, possibly home office 1 day per week in future
Guests per year 4-5
Open or closed layout open living/dining, otherwise rather closed
Conservative or modern construction mixed
Open kitchen, cooking island no
Number of dining seats 6-8
Fireplace yes
Music/stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport double garage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no preference
Other wishes / special features / daily routine no preference
House Design
Planner: planner from a construction company who is also an architect
What do you particularly like? entrance situation, room arrangement, layout and dimensions of upper floor (except upper floor bathroom)
What do you not like? too close to neighboring building on south plot, upper floor bathroom, entrance planned as flat roof, door location in living room, other minor details
Cost estimate from architect/planner: not yet available
Personal price limit for house including equipment: not entirely clear yet but around 400,000
Preferred heating system: either gas (without energy efficiency funding) or ground source heat pump via horizontal collector or borehole (energy standard KfW 55)
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
-can be omitted: high-end finishes, walk-in closet, ground source heat pump, turnkey delivery
-cannot be omitted: stove/fireplace, office, two walk-in showers, double garage
Because our plot is relatively long and narrow (20x43m (66x141 ft)), we have already given some thought to the possible arrangement of the house and garage. Here is the thread on that topic.
At first, we focused on the first variant with the garage located above the house to the north. However, with the garage and house together, it would have become very tight toward the south. The architect's first draft surprised us (garage on the east) but we generally liked it very much, so we are now presenting this as the basis here. Many of our wishes have already been met, and the draft is definitely a good starting point. I have to add that currently we do not have any eastern sun exposure and do not consider this a problem. The only drawback is that the house stands relatively centrally and garden space is “wasted,” partly due to the 6m (20 ft) setback on the east. But we will submit a preliminary building inquiry to possibly reduce the distance to 3m (10 ft).
So, here are the plans. North is at the top of the plan.
Requesting general comments, improvement suggestions, ideas, upstairs bathroom, etc.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 850m² (20x43m) (22,990 ft² (66x141 ft))
No slope
Site coverage ratio 0.35
Floor area ratio 0.60
Building lines and boundaries 3m (10 ft) west and south, 6m (20 ft) east
Edge development yes except east side
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories maximum two full floors
Roof type gable roof 22-48°, shed roof 8-20°
Architectural style no restriction
Orientation not specified, ridge direction only recommended
Maximum heights/limits maximum permitted building height 9.5m (31 ft), knee walls maximum 1.0m (3 ft)
Other requirements at least 2 parking spaces per residential unit
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type simple, no bay windows, two full floors, low-pitched gable roof
Basement and floors basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, age 29 and 30 (2 children planned after house completion)
Room requirements on ground and upper floor
Ground floor: living/dining, kitchen, pantry, bathroom;
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, master bedroom, bathroom
Office: family use or home office? for business, possibly home office 1 day per week in future
Guests per year 4-5
Open or closed layout open living/dining, otherwise rather closed
Conservative or modern construction mixed
Open kitchen, cooking island no
Number of dining seats 6-8
Fireplace yes
Music/stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport double garage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no preference
Other wishes / special features / daily routine no preference
House Design
Planner: planner from a construction company who is also an architect
What do you particularly like? entrance situation, room arrangement, layout and dimensions of upper floor (except upper floor bathroom)
What do you not like? too close to neighboring building on south plot, upper floor bathroom, entrance planned as flat roof, door location in living room, other minor details
Cost estimate from architect/planner: not yet available
Personal price limit for house including equipment: not entirely clear yet but around 400,000
Preferred heating system: either gas (without energy efficiency funding) or ground source heat pump via horizontal collector or borehole (energy standard KfW 55)
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
-can be omitted: high-end finishes, walk-in closet, ground source heat pump, turnkey delivery
-cannot be omitted: stove/fireplace, office, two walk-in showers, double garage
Because our plot is relatively long and narrow (20x43m (66x141 ft)), we have already given some thought to the possible arrangement of the house and garage. Here is the thread on that topic.
At first, we focused on the first variant with the garage located above the house to the north. However, with the garage and house together, it would have become very tight toward the south. The architect's first draft surprised us (garage on the east) but we generally liked it very much, so we are now presenting this as the basis here. Many of our wishes have already been met, and the draft is definitely a good starting point. I have to add that currently we do not have any eastern sun exposure and do not consider this a problem. The only drawback is that the house stands relatively centrally and garden space is “wasted,” partly due to the 6m (20 ft) setback on the east. But we will submit a preliminary building inquiry to possibly reduce the distance to 3m (10 ft).
So, here are the plans. North is at the top of the plan.
Our bathroom measures 3.3 m by 2.45 m (10.8 ft by 8 ft) and feels quite spacious. Even when we help the kids brush their teeth, it doesn’t feel cramped... so I don’t think it’s too small.
I’m quite glad about the extra row of bricks and the resulting clear ceiling height of 2.6 m (8.5 ft) on the ground floor. Apart from possibly slightly higher costs, there are no downsides.
I’m quite glad about the extra row of bricks and the resulting clear ceiling height of 2.6 m (8.5 ft) on the ground floor. Apart from possibly slightly higher costs, there are no downsides.
Musketier schrieb:
Is it a modern invention that everyone has to fuss around in the bathroom at the same time? After all, there is also a full guest bathroom.
In our house, the bathroom was locked before, and we were five family members sharing only one bathroom.I don’t think you have to invent uses and personal needs.
Some people lock the door, others don’t. But why would you lock the door if you only want to use the sink to brush your teeth?
Even if it is agreed within the family that, for example, the downstairs toilet is used in the morning (it’s not uncommon for children to be with a parent in the bathroom, at least in the first years), they get in each other’s way in front of the sink (a double basin). I experienced this myself and then installed a sliding door in the bathroom—even though there were only two of us. My parents had and still have the same situation, with the result that the first sink remains dry—as a place for brushes and makeup stuff.
In this regard, I find my comment completely justified.
Overall, I don’t find the bathroom small, but I do find the washing area too cramped with the door right behind you at neck/shoulder/hip level 😉
jaeger schrieb:
1. But then the kitchen tends to become even bigger and the living room smaller. Not necessarily. You still have to place the pantry… you could also put it on the inner wall (without looking at the plan again now).
jaeger schrieb:
Also, I would prefer the living room on the south side. Why?
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Peanuts7426 Oct 2016 14:21Sure, everyone has different priorities. But if you want both a towel radiator and a tall cabinet, it becomes quite challenging.
I don’t know the exact dimensions of the bathroom, but I think it is roughly the same size as ours.
In Winterkind’s thread, Yvonne sketched a bathroom layout that pretty much matches ours.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-kritisches-feedback-sehr-erwuenscht.17199/page-4
Our bathroom includes a walk-in shower, a standard bathtub, a washbasin with a cabinet hanging next to it, a toilet, and a heated towel rail. Everything fits and it is quite practical to use, even with a child.
However, it doesn’t have enough seating for four people to use the toilet simultaneously. 😉
Jokes aside, it is functional, but of course not as spacious or luxurious as the glossy brochures showing 2 m² (21.5 sq ft) of shelves around the bathtub rim and a sea view from the tub.
@jaeger
I sent the pictures via private message today.
In Winterkind’s thread, Yvonne sketched a bathroom layout that pretty much matches ours.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-kritisches-feedback-sehr-erwuenscht.17199/page-4
Our bathroom includes a walk-in shower, a standard bathtub, a washbasin with a cabinet hanging next to it, a toilet, and a heated towel rail. Everything fits and it is quite practical to use, even with a child.
However, it doesn’t have enough seating for four people to use the toilet simultaneously. 😉
Jokes aside, it is functional, but of course not as spacious or luxurious as the glossy brochures showing 2 m² (21.5 sq ft) of shelves around the bathtub rim and a sea view from the tub.
@jaeger
I sent the pictures via private message today.
BeHaElJa schrieb:
Our bathroom measures 3.3 m x 2.45 m (11 ft x 8 ft) and actually feels quite spacious. Even when we brush the kids’ teeth, it doesn’t feel cramped... so I don’t think it’s too small.
I’m quite glad about the extra row of bricks and the resulting clear ceiling height of 2.6 m (8.5 ft) on the ground floor. Other than potentially slightly higher costs, there are no disadvantages.According to the design, the bathroom is approximately 2.70 m x 3.70 m (9 ft x 12 ft). Would it be possible for you to send us the floor plan of your bathroom? That might help us with further planning.
ypg schrieb:
Not necessarily. You still need to place the pantry... you could also put it on the inner wall (without checking the plan again).
Why?Because we prefer more sunlight in the living room than in the kitchen and pantry. Also, the living room would then be located in the northwest, which is definitely not ideal for us.Musketier schrieb:
I don’t know the exact dimensions of the bathroom, but I think it’s roughly the same size as ours.
In Winterkind’s thread, Yvonne sketched a bathroom floor plan that closely resembles ours.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-kritisches-feedback-sehr-erwuenscht.17199/page-4
Our bathroom includes a walk-in shower, a standard bathtub, a washbasin with a cabinet next to it, a toilet, and a heated towel rail. Everything fits and it’s quite practical even with a child.
However, when it comes to four people using the toilet at the same time, there aren’t enough seats. 😉
Jokes aside, it is usable, but obviously not as generously spacious as in those glossy brochures showing 2 m² (22 ft²) of shelves all around the tub and a sea view from the bathtub.
I sent you the pictures via private message today.Thank you very much for the pictures! That’s definitely a good idea. What are the dimensions of your bathroom?
Guest bathroom measuring 2.4 m x 2 m (7.9 ft x 6.6 ft):
Main bathroom measuring 3.28 m x 2.4 m (10.8 ft x 7.9 ft):
Both shower enclosures are made of glass – in the main bathroom, the shower ended up being 1.2 m (3.9 ft) wide instead of 1.4 m (4.6 ft), and the bathtub has about a 10 cm (4 inch) platform on both sides. The door swings the opposite way. Behind the door are wall shelves; at the end of the "hallway" (top of the plan) there is a wooden towel rack.
Main bathroom measuring 3.28 m x 2.4 m (10.8 ft x 7.9 ft):
Both shower enclosures are made of glass – in the main bathroom, the shower ended up being 1.2 m (3.9 ft) wide instead of 1.4 m (4.6 ft), and the bathtub has about a 10 cm (4 inch) platform on both sides. The door swings the opposite way. Behind the door are wall shelves; at the end of the "hallway" (top of the plan) there is a wooden towel rack.
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