ᐅ Kitchen Island and Dining Table – Which Layout Should You Choose?

@Bamue89 .. also a practical idea, together with the L-shape I sketched above, also practical. The drawback with the L is that you can't extend the table endlessly, nor rotate it because of the wall. Without the L and with a changed window position (because the workflow is simply better there), I would still find the kitchen too small.

ypg schrieb:
We are not here to fulfill every wish either

That’s true. I’ve noticed (probably like you have) that the process here in the forum is always the same. A homeowner wants a third or fourth opinion and suggestions for improvement, but has usually already given the matter a lot of thought (which is often questioned here) and incorporated their preferences into their plan. The experienced members in the forum then share their concerns and suggestions, which are a mix of common sense, many years of experience, and personal taste. The homeowner generally accepts some of the advice but does not fundamentally change their plan. Then the homeowner is labeled as resistant to advice because they insist on their own wishes.

I am grateful for all suggestions and carefully consider each of them. However, that doesn’t mean I find every suggestion suitable for my needs or that I will implement them all.

ypg schrieb:
You could simply have given more respect to our concerns. That wouldn’t have taken two weeks. Well, could have, would have, should have

Acknowledging the concerns wouldn’t have taken two weeks. But there is always a chain of related issues (figuring out exactly how the dimensions should be changed, what a new kitchen layout would look like, coordinating with the busy planners involved, etc.).

ypg schrieb:
What’s the use if problems are openly presented early on and you as the original poster just dismiss them as irrelevant.

That is your interpretation. We briefly considered these points back then and decided against making changes due to the consequences described above.

ypg schrieb:
Or the other way around: what is already built and what could be integrated from this open hallway into the living area? Although: the location of the wastewater drainage is probably fixed already?

We have discussed integrating the hallway into the living area both here in the forum and with architects and builders. The path from the bedrooms/bathroom to the main entrance is a traffic route and cannot be blocked in any way. So far, nobody has been able to explain to me what exactly integrating the hallway would achieve. Besides that, we prefer not to have the bathroom and bedroom doors opening directly into the living area for various reasons.

The position of the wastewater drainage is fixed, although the concrete slab has not yet been poured (which should happen early next week). The energy performance certificate and structural calculations (the wall between the living area and hallway is load-bearing) have been completed for some time now.

DragonyxXL schrieb:
That’s correct. I’ve noticed (as you probably have too) that the process here in the forum is often the same. A homeowner is looking for a third or fourth opinion and suggestions for improvement, but they have already put a lot of thought into it (which is often questioned here) and incorporated their wishes into their plan. The experienced members of the forum then share their concerns and suggestions, which are a mix of common sense, years of experience, and personal preference. Typically, the homeowner takes some of the advice but does not fundamentally change their plan. The homeowner is then often labeled as stubborn because they stick to their wishes.

I am grateful for all suggestions and carefully consider them. That does not mean I find every suggestion suitable for my needs or implement them.

Addressing the concerns would not have taken more than two weeks. However, there is always a long follow-up process (figuring out exactly how to change dimensions, redesigning the kitchen layout, coordinating with the busy planners involved, etc.).

That is your interpretation. We briefly discussed it back then and decided against changing it due to the consequences outlined above.

We discussed integrating the hallway into the living area both here in the forum and with architects and construction companies. The path from the bedroom/bathroom towards the house entrance is a thoroughfare and cannot be blocked by anything. So far, no one has been able to explain to me exactly what integrating the hallway would achieve. Besides, for various reasons, we do not want the bathroom door and bedroom door to open directly into the living space.

The location of the wastewater connection is fixed, although the foundation slab has not yet been poured (this should happen early next week). The energy certificate and structural analysis (the wall between the living room and hallway is load-bearing) have been completed for some time.

Excellent post... unfortunately, I am experiencing the same situation right now.

I don’t quite understand your approach. You planned the living room with these dimensions, so why are you only now arranging the dining table and kitchen furniture? If the living room were a bit wider and correspondingly narrower, it would be much easier to place the kitchen, dining, and living areas in a row. With just over 8 meters (26 feet), that’s not possible. You need at least 4 meters (13 feet) for the living area and about the same for the dining area. So you really have no choice but to place the dining table almost directly in front of the kitchen unit or reconsider the idea of the low wall to possibly create a more separated living area. Why does the drain area of the sink have to be on the left? That shouldn’t make a difference, right?

Best regards
Sabine