ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*
Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
Häuslebau3r10 Aug 2016 19:58Good evening to both of you,
I’m finally at home and able to respond to you.
I printed the drawings and took them home, and I’ve already noticed that both options are definitely too large in terms of square meters. Aside from the size, with option 1, swapping rooms is possible. I was thinking about the future (possibly when the children move out), so the master bedroom extends to the east (view).
Regarding the staircase, thanks for your understanding—it was all just amateurishly fitted in so far.
The cloakroom could be planned similarly to option 2, for example, I just forgot that in the first step.
As for costs, I can’t say much yet. For us, it was primarily about getting a sense of possible house footprints on the plot and then proceeding with preliminary planning and subsequent financing discussions. We’re currently thinking about around 300,000–320,000 for the house excluding the basement and the land.
About the “everything a bit more expensive” point... I can’t say much yet. The gap between wishes and reality is certainly quite wide for a layperson, and you quickly come back down to earth in the first discussions. As Oliver already mentioned above, the size definitely needs to be reduced.
I’m really impressed by your “handmade quick sketches” — thanks a lot for that.
I had to think about it a bit, but I find the layout really well thought out. On the ground floor, the kitchen as well as the dining and living area are the heart of the whole thing. The stairwell with a possibly bright, daylight-flooded area for the view to the east. On the upper floor, the master bedroom also faces east with everything you need. The children’s rooms are positioned toward the southeast and southwest. I really like that, too.
Is there an open void or gallery space between the children’s rooms, or is it fully enclosed with the rooms simply wrapping around the corner?
Best regards, Andi
I’m finally at home and able to respond to you.
Jochen104 schrieb:
I prefer option 1 in terms of layout compared to option 2.
On the upper floor, I would place the children’s rooms on the lower side of the plan (south) and shift the other rooms upward. You don’t need 30m² (323 ft²) for the bedroom and dressing area combined, nor 22m² (237 ft²) for the bathroom.
The staircase is planned very (too) generously, but that can be adjusted in the detailed planning stage.
A cloakroom could also be planned below the guest toilet. Depending on how the entrance area is covered, it could be very dark there and in the hallway. Option 2 has advantages in this respect.
The pantry is very narrow in both versions.
May I ask what the overall budget for the project is?
I printed the drawings and took them home, and I’ve already noticed that both options are definitely too large in terms of square meters. Aside from the size, with option 1, swapping rooms is possible. I was thinking about the future (possibly when the children move out), so the master bedroom extends to the east (view).
Regarding the staircase, thanks for your understanding—it was all just amateurishly fitted in so far.
The cloakroom could be planned similarly to option 2, for example, I just forgot that in the first step.
As for costs, I can’t say much yet. For us, it was primarily about getting a sense of possible house footprints on the plot and then proceeding with preliminary planning and subsequent financing discussions. We’re currently thinking about around 300,000–320,000 for the house excluding the basement and the land.
ypg schrieb:
Everything a bit bigger and more expensive?
Here I did a rough sketch with a really blunt pencil...
About the “everything a bit more expensive” point... I can’t say much yet. The gap between wishes and reality is certainly quite wide for a layperson, and you quickly come back down to earth in the first discussions. As Oliver already mentioned above, the size definitely needs to be reduced.
I’m really impressed by your “handmade quick sketches” — thanks a lot for that.
I had to think about it a bit, but I find the layout really well thought out. On the ground floor, the kitchen as well as the dining and living area are the heart of the whole thing. The stairwell with a possibly bright, daylight-flooded area for the view to the east. On the upper floor, the master bedroom also faces east with everything you need. The children’s rooms are positioned toward the southeast and southwest. I really like that, too.
Is there an open void or gallery space between the children’s rooms, or is it fully enclosed with the rooms simply wrapping around the corner?
Best regards, Andi
Jochen104 schrieb:
Knowing Yvonne, the rooms probably wrap around the corner there, and there are still closets in the hallway.I had the photo with the open space from you, @Häuslebau3r, on my phone. It would have fit well there! However, sound traveling upwards would likely disturb both privacy and sleep, whether from below or above. That way, you can integrate the workspaces with a window front and have built-in closets in the hallway.
However, when I see a budget of 300,000, it might be necessary to reduce about one square meter (10.8 square feet) around the exterior walls and compress the design. Mine is naturally somewhat oversized for a sketch. Then it will probably be dropped.
Häuslebau3r11 Aug 2016 11:50Hello everyone,
It seems Oliver was right from the start ... I couldn’t decipher it immediately.
@ypg
I showed the draft to my wife yesterday, and we both actually liked it right away. Today, I tried to put it down on paper a bit more clearly with ground floor and upper floor plans. Of course, as you can probably see, the square meter (m²) figures are not really accurate yet; the main focus is on the layout and a possible arrangement. The house should ultimately be about 170m² (about 1,830 sq ft), excluding the basement.
I have now created two more versions for myself: one with a pantry, which I wasn’t quite sure where to place, and another with an additional toilet on the upper floor.
I really like your design’s layout, as the kitchen, living, and dining areas are nicely centered and oriented towards the west and south. The living area also extends somewhat towards the east, and the staircase could replace the gallery with a nice view from above.
The gallery’s issues regarding odors and noise have already been discussed frequently in the forum. Ultimately, I think it’s probably a matter of budget—whether you can afford this feature in a house that is naturally designed for it. In our case, to the south, you would look towards the neighboring garage’s side wall and the garden. So, the view is less important but possibly the spatial effect, like in this example.
Thanks in advance for your interest!
It seems Oliver was right from the start ... I couldn’t decipher it immediately.
@ypg
I showed the draft to my wife yesterday, and we both actually liked it right away. Today, I tried to put it down on paper a bit more clearly with ground floor and upper floor plans. Of course, as you can probably see, the square meter (m²) figures are not really accurate yet; the main focus is on the layout and a possible arrangement. The house should ultimately be about 170m² (about 1,830 sq ft), excluding the basement.
I have now created two more versions for myself: one with a pantry, which I wasn’t quite sure where to place, and another with an additional toilet on the upper floor.
I really like your design’s layout, as the kitchen, living, and dining areas are nicely centered and oriented towards the west and south. The living area also extends somewhat towards the east, and the staircase could replace the gallery with a nice view from above.
The gallery’s issues regarding odors and noise have already been discussed frequently in the forum. Ultimately, I think it’s probably a matter of budget—whether you can afford this feature in a house that is naturally designed for it. In our case, to the south, you would look towards the neighboring garage’s side wall and the garden. So, the view is less important but possibly the spatial effect, like in this example.
Thanks in advance for your interest!
Who is Oliver? I was already wondering that in the last post.
The floor plan is coming together gradually. A few more notes:
The floor plan is coming together gradually. A few more notes:
- The ground floor is the same, right?
- I would suggest accessing the bedroom either through the walk-in closet or the hallway, not both.
- The bathroom on the upper floor can only be reached through the walk-in closet. Where do your children shower or bathe?
- The storage room, upstairs toilet, and pantry are quite narrow.
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