Hello everyone,
I’m curious to see who has creative ideas to help me with my self-built trash bin system:
Problem:
Tears: Due to the lack of a support for the bags, the contents eventually become too heavy, causing the bags to tear in some areas.
Holes: Because of insufficient or improper attachment points, holes develop where trash sometimes falls through, as there are only four spots where the bag can be secured.
Solutions:
Tears: Either attach a board at the bottom for the bag to rest on, so that the weight is no longer on the bag itself. Or buy a custom-sized trash bin or build one yourself from wood.
Holes: Either apply adhesive tape to the bag to pull it up where holes would otherwise form and stick it down (disadvantage: the adhesive eventually loses effectiveness). Or use some kind of ring attachment. Or build a custom solution for the self-built trash bin.
I really need advice. I’m getting desperate here.
Best regards
lagun4
I’m curious to see who has creative ideas to help me with my self-built trash bin system:
Problem:
Tears: Due to the lack of a support for the bags, the contents eventually become too heavy, causing the bags to tear in some areas.
Holes: Because of insufficient or improper attachment points, holes develop where trash sometimes falls through, as there are only four spots where the bag can be secured.
Solutions:
Tears: Either attach a board at the bottom for the bag to rest on, so that the weight is no longer on the bag itself. Or buy a custom-sized trash bin or build one yourself from wood.
Holes: Either apply adhesive tape to the bag to pull it up where holes would otherwise form and stick it down (disadvantage: the adhesive eventually loses effectiveness). Or use some kind of ring attachment. Or build a custom solution for the self-built trash bin.
I really need advice. I’m getting desperate here.
Best regards
lagun4
Climbee schrieb:
I only mentioned the organic waste bin because that’s the system I’m familiar with so far.Me too
Climbee schrieb:
For regular residual waste, I find the whole thing even more questionable...Me too
Climbee schrieb:
By the way: with us, everything can go into the organic waste bin, including food scraps, etc. The waste collector specifically mentioned that. Apparently, the composting facility can handle it well, and the main goal was to keep the residual waste as dry as possible. So, it varies from one waste collector to another.
At my grandmother’s place, everything went to the compost...Well, that has nothing to do with the waste collector in our case. We don’t have an organic waste bin because we have a composter.
An organic waste bin provides insects with a good food source, which means that in warm weather you have to deal with maggots.
Nowadays, in residential areas, it is prohibited (unsubstantiated assumption) or at least frowned upon here to put meat, proteins, etc., in the compost because it attracts vermin.
The fact that grandma maybe didn’t mind contact with rats and the like as much as we do today is another matter. “Back then” conditions were different—and grandma lived rurally anyway and had a composter.
Grandma used to slaughter animals herself and even stirred blood; is that even allowed today??
Neige schrieb:
In kitchen planning, a practical solution called MULP is used (waste under the countertop). That really makes sense.Thanks, Siggi: I’ve read about MULP in another thread before and thought: Here we go again, a new thing?
But it’s exactly THE system I’ve known forever.
My goodness. There seems to be a lot of discussion needed in my thread.
To clarify once again:
1) The countertop costs 30 € (about $33). So a Wesco trash bin, which starts at around 60 € (about $66), is not comparable.
2) I believe the Wesco bin holds 5 liters (about 1.3 gallons)? My trash bags hold 50 liters (about 13 gallons). I don’t want to have to change bags constantly.
3) It doesn’t smell because I have lids that cover the openings.
4) Trash hasn’t fallen out because the bag openings are larger than the holes in the countertop.
5) Nothing gets wet because I make sure nothing spills, and if it does, I wipe it dry. (This hasn’t happened very often so far.)
I just want to know:
1) What is the best way to seal the edges?
2) How can I fit a plastic ring (to hold the bags in place) into the holes so that I can secure a bag completely without the ring getting in the way? Or is there a sliding system I can install?
I will focus on these two questions now. Of course, feel free to continue giving me your feedback. Thanks!
Best regards
To clarify once again:
1) The countertop costs 30 € (about $33). So a Wesco trash bin, which starts at around 60 € (about $66), is not comparable.
2) I believe the Wesco bin holds 5 liters (about 1.3 gallons)? My trash bags hold 50 liters (about 13 gallons). I don’t want to have to change bags constantly.
3) It doesn’t smell because I have lids that cover the openings.
4) Trash hasn’t fallen out because the bag openings are larger than the holes in the countertop.
5) Nothing gets wet because I make sure nothing spills, and if it does, I wipe it dry. (This hasn’t happened very often so far.)
I just want to know:
1) What is the best way to seal the edges?
2) How can I fit a plastic ring (to hold the bags in place) into the holes so that I can secure a bag completely without the ring getting in the way? Or is there a sliding system I can install?
I will focus on these two questions now. Of course, feel free to continue giving me your feedback. Thanks!
Best regards
lagun4 schrieb:
2) How can I insert a plastic ring (that I can stretch the bags around) into the holes so that I can fully secure a bag without the ring getting in the way? Or is there a sliding system that I can install?That only works with magnets, if I understand correctly. Magnets attached to the underside of the opening in the countertop, then you pull the bag over a metal ring of the same size, and finally attach the ring from below to the magnets. Otherwise, you won’t be able to fully secure the bag.
A sliding system is basically what many people have (without a hole in the countertop), meaning a drawer with small trash bins. But that doesn’t work hanging with just a 50-liter (13-gallon) bag; you need a bin for that, or else the bag won’t be fully secured. Essentially, you want what already works reasonably well on “yellow bag holders.” There, the bag hangs in a frame (though not fully all around), is clamped by the lid, and still tears eventually.
Another suggestion: stores like Ikea offer large bins up to 40–50 liters (10–13 gallons) for storage, e.g., the “Filur” bin. If you place one on a rolling base and build it to clamp under the countertop, that might work.
Best regards
Dirk Grafe
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garfunkel29 Jul 2016 12:56The wood might also be sealed with marine varnish. It could be worth trying it out on a test piece.
Regarding the trash bags, I would possibly just build a wooden bucket that holds the trash bag like the current version does in the UK and prevents tearing.
A pull-out mechanism can be done easily. You just need something like a rail system. Neige already suggested the tip with the Z-profiles. You can then attach a holder for the bucket, and if you want to make it really smooth, you can add some rollers so you can slide it in and out as much as you like.
I wouldn’t connect the bags directly to the countertop but rather just fit them over the bucket as usual and mount this slightly larger bucket under the countertop.
Regarding the trash bags, I would possibly just build a wooden bucket that holds the trash bag like the current version does in the UK and prevents tearing.
A pull-out mechanism can be done easily. You just need something like a rail system. Neige already suggested the tip with the Z-profiles. You can then attach a holder for the bucket, and if you want to make it really smooth, you can add some rollers so you can slide it in and out as much as you like.
I wouldn’t connect the bags directly to the countertop but rather just fit them over the bucket as usual and mount this slightly larger bucket under the countertop.
lagun4 schrieb:
My goodness. There is a lot of need for discussion in my thread. You asked......
lagun4 schrieb:
The countertop costs 30 € . A Wesco trash can, which costs from 60 € , is therefore not comparable. You can’t just say that, because the Wesco has a corresponding airtight stainless steel lid, and the ring is made of stainless steel, which can either be mounted on top or recessed flush.
lagun4 schrieb:
I think the Wesco trash can holds 5 liters? My trash bags hold 50 liters. I don’t want to have to change the bags constantly. The Wesco with its 5 liters (about 1.3 gallons) is basically meant only for collecting scraps, and it is perfectly sized for that purpose.
lagun4 schrieb:
It doesn’t smell because I have lids that cover the holes. For a 50-liter (13-gallon) capacity, I personally consider that unlikely, especially under certain weather conditions.
lagun4 schrieb:
The trash hasn’t fallen out because the bag openings are larger than the holes in the countertop. That’s why I suggested Z-shaped aluminum or metal profiles, but for a bin with smaller volume.
lagun4 schrieb:
Nothing gets wet because I make sure nothing gets wet, or if it does, I wipe it dry. (This hasn’t happened very often so far) I disagree there as well. With your system, given that volume and if the trash isn’t removed promptly, moisture will develop, and believe me, over time that will cause odors and eventually damage your countertop from underneath. This is exactly what the Wesco prevents, since the bin is removed upwards.
lagun4 schrieb:
How do I best seal the edges? Honestly? With a 50-liter (13-gallon) volume and not wanting to “change the bags constantly,” you don’t really need to seal them. No sealant can withstand constant moisture from below.
lagun4 schrieb:
How can I fit a plastic ring (to hold the trash bags in place) into the holes so that I can stretch the bag fully around it without the ring getting in the way? If it’s not done perfectly, a rubber band you can stretch around will also do the job.
lagun4 schrieb:
Is there a sliding system I can install? As mentioned before, Z-profile and smaller bins.
lagun4 schrieb:
Of course, you’re welcome to keep giving me feedback What’s the point? I think you’ve already had plenty of suggestions, so just make use of them.
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