Hello everyone,
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
Hello nordanney,
Great – thank you very much for your effort!
For the refrigerator, we definitely want the retro look. That’s why we also suggested the Geronje model. The Samsung is very modern, and we don’t like those large silver units.
Regarding the cooktop you sent (Neff TT5486), according to Amazon reviews, there are complaints about its higher susceptibility to scratches. Is this issue normal for induction cooktops compared to ceramic glass ones?
The Siemens 90 cm (36 inches) (LC98KA671) range hood seems to perform well based on its specs.
The Bosch oven also looks very good visually. I actually like it even better than the Siemens one I mentioned. However, I recall that the Siemens costs around 1,000 EUR (currently on “sale”), while a comparable Bosch (preferably black and with pyrolytic self-cleaning) costs about 1,700 EUR. That’s why we had decided on Siemens.
About the dishwasher:
I have also read that zeolite drying technology is highly recommended, and if you buy a new dishwasher now, it should have this technology. Unfortunately, there are quite a few reports of issues – as you described (dishes not drying properly).
As for the different brands, I was thinking along the same lines as “alter0029,” but Neff, Siemens, and Bosch are all part of the same company (BSH), right?
You are so quick with your answers… thanks!
@f-pNo
Thanks for the tip about the pyrolytic cleaning and the retention clips. I can’t say if the Siemens model we have currently selected has all those features you mentioned. I haven’t really looked into the details yet. I only remember that it has Wi-Fi… but we don’t really need that.
Cooktop:
We realized we hardly have suitable pots and pans at the moment, so we’d need to change that. There are also cooktops that automatically detect the shape of the cookware. We were honestly a bit “overwhelmed” by the new technology – even though I consider myself technically savvy, just not in the kitchen.
The question is whether too many extras really make things easier, or if they can be confusing at first. Although you probably get used to it over time…
Many thanks and best regards!
Gatho
Great – thank you very much for your effort!
For the refrigerator, we definitely want the retro look. That’s why we also suggested the Geronje model. The Samsung is very modern, and we don’t like those large silver units.
Regarding the cooktop you sent (Neff TT5486), according to Amazon reviews, there are complaints about its higher susceptibility to scratches. Is this issue normal for induction cooktops compared to ceramic glass ones?
The Siemens 90 cm (36 inches) (LC98KA671) range hood seems to perform well based on its specs.
The Bosch oven also looks very good visually. I actually like it even better than the Siemens one I mentioned. However, I recall that the Siemens costs around 1,000 EUR (currently on “sale”), while a comparable Bosch (preferably black and with pyrolytic self-cleaning) costs about 1,700 EUR. That’s why we had decided on Siemens.
About the dishwasher:
I have also read that zeolite drying technology is highly recommended, and if you buy a new dishwasher now, it should have this technology. Unfortunately, there are quite a few reports of issues – as you described (dishes not drying properly).
As for the different brands, I was thinking along the same lines as “alter0029,” but Neff, Siemens, and Bosch are all part of the same company (BSH), right?
You are so quick with your answers… thanks!
@f-pNo
Thanks for the tip about the pyrolytic cleaning and the retention clips. I can’t say if the Siemens model we have currently selected has all those features you mentioned. I haven’t really looked into the details yet. I only remember that it has Wi-Fi… but we don’t really need that.
Cooktop:
We realized we hardly have suitable pots and pans at the moment, so we’d need to change that. There are also cooktops that automatically detect the shape of the cookware. We were honestly a bit “overwhelmed” by the new technology – even though I consider myself technically savvy, just not in the kitchen.
The question is whether too many extras really make things easier, or if they can be confusing at first. Although you probably get used to it over time…
Many thanks and best regards!
Gatho
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nordanney20 Jun 2016 13:47Gatho schrieb:
Regarding the cooktop you shared (Neff TT5486). According to Amazon reviews, there are complaints about significantly higher scratch sensitivity. Is this issue "normal" for induction cooktops compared to ceramic glass? Only if you have sand grains under your pots. The cooktop itself is completely unproblematic. I actually find that induction stays cleaner and better maintained because it is almost impossible to burn anything onto the surface.
Gatho schrieb:
The Bosch oven also looks very good visually. I actually like it better than the Siemens one I mentioned. However, I seem to remember that the Siemens costs around 1000 EUR (currently “on sale”) and a comparable Bosch (preferably black & with pyrolytic cleaning) costs 1700 EUR!? That’s why we chose Siemens. The Bosch in Volcano Black is about 900 EUR. Stainless steel is significantly cheaper.
Wi-Fi is a nice gimmick (for example, you’re in the garden and your smartphone notifies you that the cake is ready based on the moisture sensor). Nice to have.
Gatho schrieb:
Regarding the various brands, I had a similar view as “alter0029”, but Neff, Siemens, and Bosch are all the same “company” (BSH), right? Yes. But there are more brands included, such as Constructa and Gaggenau.
Gatho schrieb:
Regarding the cooktop you mentioned (Neff TT5486). According to Amazon reviews, there are frequent complaints about a higher susceptibility to scratches. Is this issue "normal" for induction cooktops compared to ceramic glass?
About the dishwasher:
I have also read that zeolite technology is highly recommended, and if you buy a new dishwasher nowadays, it should ideally include it. Unfortunately, there are many reported problems—as you described as well (dishes not drying properly). I remember friends being very careful not to spill salt, sugar, or similar substances while cooking on ceramic glass, as these could potentially burn in or cause scratches (although we ourselves did not pay much attention to this with ceramic glass, and our cooktop lasted for 13 years).
The issue of burning in cannot occur with induction because it heats only via magnetic induction through coils. So, if salt or sugar is not under the pot, it cannot heat up.
Gatho schrieb:
I can't say for sure if the Siemens model we chose has all the fancy features you mentioned. I haven't looked into the details yet. Only that the model has Wi-Fi stuck in my mind... which we actually don’t need. I looked at a picture of the oven on Siemens’ website. There is a dish or something displayed on the middle panel, so I assume the oven might have that function.
Gatho schrieb:
Cooktop:
We realized that we currently hardly have any suitable pots and pans. So that would need to be addressed. There are also cooktops that automatically recognize what shape you are using. The first tip we received was: take a magnet and test the bottom of your pots. If the magnet sticks, you can continue to use those pots.
Yes—most induction cooktops have pot detection. However, I can’t tell if placing a 20cm (8 inch) pot on a 32cm (13 inch) burner consumes more power than using a pot that matches the burner size.
Gatho schrieb:
We were really a bit “overwhelmed” by the new technology, even though I am generally tech-savvy—but not in the kitchen.
The question is whether too many extras really make things easier or if you end up overwhelmed. Although, of course, you get used to it over time... Generally, you get used to the technology very quickly because it’s an everyday appliance. But there are certainly many features that people buy but never actually use. So it’s always worth asking about the added value of the extra features. If it doesn’t cost (much) more, sure, go for it. But if it adds 100 USD or more, why bother?
@nordanney
Ah—OK. That Wi-Fi function does seem useful. I imagine setting a “phone alarm” while in the garden and then testing it.
Gatho schrieb:
Regarding the dishwasher:
I had also read that zeolite is highly recommended and that any new dishwasher purchase should include this technology. Unfortunately, there are also many reported issues—just as you described (dishes not drying properly). We have had a Siemens model with zeolite for 1.5 years. We have never had dishes, including plastic items, come out as clean and dry as with this one.
lastdrop schrieb:
We have had a Siemens Zeolite model for 1.5 years. We have never had dishes so clean and dry, including plastics.And how about the cost side?
In another discussion, while looking for "material on this," I read that the cost for Zeolite is about €0.21 per wash cycle compared to €0.22 per wash cycle for a standard machine. That means an additional cost of €100 would only be recovered after 10,000 wash cycles.
Have you checked the costs yourself and can confirm or refute this?
(By the way, I also don’t consider the cost of the dishwasher itself.)
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