ᐅ Electrical Planning – Is Something Missing?

Created on: 2 Mar 2016 14:14
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andimann
Hi everyone,

things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.

I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?

To explain:

· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.

· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.

· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.

· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).

· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.

· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.

· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.

· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.

Thanks and best regards,

Andreas
andimann3 Mar 2016 20:23
Hi,
Jochen104 schrieb:
I can’t confirm that. In our upstairs hallway (2.26m x 7.13m) (7 ft 5 in x 23 ft 5 in), we have 10 x 5-watt LEDs. When I turn them on, even a stadium would be jealous.
Seriously: 8 x 10W would easily provide very bright lighting, including the stairs. Even 6 x 10W would probably be fine.

We currently have a ceiling lamp with 4 LED spotlights of 3 or 3.5 watts each in a hallway area of about 5 sqm plus approximately 4.5 sqm stairwell, and that is more than bright enough.

Yes, it’s not stadium floodlight level, but does everyone run around with welding goggles at home?

My wife is already complaining that the lamp is too bright when I add the remaining 2 bulbs—because it’s actually a 6-light fixture...

A _good_ 3W LED lamp roughly corresponds in luminous flux to a somewhat weak car headlight!

But based on the feedback here, I will definitely buy some GU10 LED lamps and test them in the bathroom. Maybe I’m totally off track...

Best regards,

Andreas
andimann3 Mar 2016 20:57
Hi,
WildThing schrieb:
What I don’t understand is why you want to “spoil” the basement like that? So you want to run all cables vertically down and then somehow bring them under the ceiling in the basement to the fuse box...?

No, far from it. Definitely not to the fuse box, since these are only the LAN and satellite cables. The ends of the empty conduit pipes will all be located in the large storage and utility room. We really don’t care about the appearance there (they won’t even get tiles; the screed will just be painted and that’s it!), what matters is easy access to the cables and simple installation.

Best regards,

Andreas
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daniels87
4 Mar 2016 08:07
Bauexperte schrieb:

Electrical work is the modern-day toy for men during house construction; I’ve seen this confirmed here in the thread as well as in our consultations. This isn’t wrong or harmful to anyone; however, not everyone has to do the same thing.

Best regards, Bauexperte


Honestly, I don’t get it either. Not even with network cables. Over the past 5 years, I basically haven’t connected any network cables. One for the repeater on the upper floor and basement, in the children’s rooms and the living room. TV outlets in the living room, children’s rooms, and one in the basement. That’s it.
I also don’t really like spotlights; I find point light sources glaring.

My friends think I’m old-fashioned, especially because I almost never turn on the TV. What kind of cave dweller am I, living without Sky and 4K?
Uwe824 Mar 2016 08:12
daniels87 schrieb:
Honestly, I don’t get it either. Not with the network cables. For the last five years, I basically haven’t connected any network cables anymore. One for the repeater to the upper floor and basement, into the kids’ rooms, and the living room. TV outlet sockets in the living room, kids’ rooms, and one in the basement. That’s it.

As an IT professional, I see it differently :P. Nothing beats the speed and reliability of a wired connection when you have to transfer gigabytes of data back and forth. Well, I should mention that I sometimes work from home as well.
daniels87 schrieb:
Also, I’m not really a fan of spotlights, I find point light sources too dazzling.

That’s true, they can be uncomfortable. That’s why we only have them in the hallway and kitchen, because we want to eliminate as many shadows as possible there for working and getting dressed. Also, in the hallway it was the most effective way to bring in light.

And televisions? What’s that? Satellite TV? 4K? OK, I don’t have time for that right now. Maybe after moving in, it will get better sometimes, but there are techies who like to indulge their hobby. Otherwise, why would anyone spend thousands of euros on home automation?
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daniels87
4 Mar 2016 08:36
Yes, that makes sense. I don’t even have a desktop anymore, only a laptop. In that case, using a cable doesn’t make much sense.

I’m still thinking about the lighting as well. I generally prefer indirect lighting, but it’s not always easy to implement.
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Sebastian79
4 Mar 2016 08:40
I have been using only laptops for years – always connected via cable to the docking station.

Wi-Fi is fine for browsing but not suitable for streaming large amounts of data.