Hi everyone,
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
What I don’t understand is why you want to “disfigure” the basement like that? So you want to run all the cables straight down and then somehow bring them to the breaker panel under the ceiling in the basement…?
We solved it by having a vertical installation shaft next to the fireplace in the house, where all the empty conduits and cables from each floor are collected and then routed together down to the electrical panel. We have already pulled all the cables through, leaving only one or two empty conduits partially free for later LAN or satellite cables.
And, as a precaution, we also installed two large empty conduits in the shaft from the basement all the way up to the attic, so future expansions can be done easily.
By the way, our electrician mainly used 5-core cables, so that, for example, we can make an outlet switchable anytime later on.
We solved it by having a vertical installation shaft next to the fireplace in the house, where all the empty conduits and cables from each floor are collected and then routed together down to the electrical panel. We have already pulled all the cables through, leaving only one or two empty conduits partially free for later LAN or satellite cables.
And, as a precaution, we also installed two large empty conduits in the shaft from the basement all the way up to the attic, so future expansions can be done easily.
By the way, our electrician mainly used 5-core cables, so that, for example, we can make an outlet switchable anytime later on.
Mycraft schrieb:
Regarding the spot lighting: 3W and 5W LED spots are not as bright as you might think and definitely can’t be compared to halogen....
My upstairs hallway is lit with 3x 10W LEDs, and I wouldn’t go any lower than that. Of course, you don’t always need them at 100% brightness, but there are moments when I turn on the full lighting... I can’t confirm that. In our upstairs hallway (2.26m x 7.13m (7.4ft x 23.4ft)) we have 10x 5 watt LEDs. When I switch them on, even a stadium would be jealous.
Seriously: 8x 10W would have been more than enough for very bright lighting, including the staircase. Even 6x 10W might still be acceptable.
WildThing schrieb:
By the way, our electrician mostly installed 5-core cables so that, for example, we can make an outlet switchable at any time later on. I can definitely recommend this approach for lighting as well.
We divided the ceiling spots into one or two "groups" that we can switch independently. If I want to change the arrangement, I simply connect the respective spot to a different core.
Jochen104 schrieb:
I can’t confirm that. In our upstairs hallway (2.26 m x 7.13 m) (7.4 ft x 23.4 ft), we have 10 LED lights with 5 watts each. When I turn them on, even a stadium would be jealous.
Seriously though: 8 lights with 10 watts each would have been more than enough for very bright lighting, including the stairs. Even 6 lights with 10 watts might still be okay.You yourself wrote 10 lights with 5 watts!
The original poster says: 1 spot with 5 watts above the stairs.
Do you notice the difference?
Mycraft schrieb:
You yourself wrote 10x 5W!
The original poster writes: 1x 5W spot above the stairs
Do you notice the difference?Then I must have misread that. Sorry. ops:
So, again:
I have a total of 50W (10x 5W) in the hallway, providing a very bright (floodlight-like) lighting that I did not expect.
Of these 10 spots, three are located directly above the stairs, which are well illuminated as a result.
In the evenings, we usually only use the stairway lighting (5x 3W). That is enough to move around safely everywhere. However, it would be too dim for cleaning, for example.
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