Hello everyone
Here are some details about our house construction project.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (6359 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, slight, about 1-1.5 m (3-5 ft) within the building area
Floor area: 150-160 sqm (1615-1722 sq ft)
Building envelope: approx. 13 x 19 m (43 x 62 ft)
Basement: Yes
Granny flat: Yes (approx. 50 sqm / 538 sq ft)
Number of floors: 2 full floors or knee wall minimum 160 cm (63 inches)
Roof type: Gable roof (approx. 15-25°)
Architectural style: not specified
Orientation: Eaves-side (ridge runs southeast/northwest)
Additional requirements:
Number of people and ages: Currently 2 people + 2 planned children
Room needs:
Ground floor: living/dining room, kitchen, entrance area, shower bath, guest room/office
Upper floor: 2 children’s rooms, large bathroom, master bedroom - attic
Office use: file storage and guest sleeping
Guests per year: approx. 10-20
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Semi-closed kitchen: with sliding door to close
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound system wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes, both
Personal budget limit for plot, house, and basement including fittings, additional building costs, and materials for DIY work (everything included): 450,000 €
We have currently held discussions with four prefab house manufacturers and are now waiting for their offers. However, a few questions arose when we roughly communicated some concerns from these manufacturers.
One of the main questions we have now is whether to build with a prefab house manufacturer or a conventional (solid) house builder/developer.
The next question is whether it makes sense, given the current interest rates, to pay extra for technology and insulation for a KfW55 house standard. (Clearly, with prefab houses this question hardly arises, but since prefab prices are currently increasing sharply, we wonder whether a conventional solid build without extensive KfW requirements might be cheaper or more efficient.)
Resulting from this is the question of technology, meaning heating, ventilation, etc.
Would it be sufficient to use a gas condensing boiler and solar panels without a ventilation system (manually opening windows is also an option), or is a heat pump (air-to-water) plus controlled ventilation and maybe photovoltaics better?
Everyone seems to say something different. One says you can’t achieve KfW55 without an air-to-water heat pump. Another says it’s possible even with gas because they have the best insulation on the market.
Another suggests adding photovoltaics with ventilation and an air-to-water heat pump... all in all, we’re quite confused about what really makes sense.
As mentioned, we will also talk to developers who build traditionally, brick by brick, and possibly consult an architect to see what results from that.
I will upload some floor plan sketches we made ourselves in the next few days, although honestly the basic questions about construction method and technology are more important to me.
Regards from Baden-Württemberg
Here are some details about our house construction project.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (6359 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, slight, about 1-1.5 m (3-5 ft) within the building area
Floor area: 150-160 sqm (1615-1722 sq ft)
Building envelope: approx. 13 x 19 m (43 x 62 ft)
Basement: Yes
Granny flat: Yes (approx. 50 sqm / 538 sq ft)
Number of floors: 2 full floors or knee wall minimum 160 cm (63 inches)
Roof type: Gable roof (approx. 15-25°)
Architectural style: not specified
Orientation: Eaves-side (ridge runs southeast/northwest)
Additional requirements:
Number of people and ages: Currently 2 people + 2 planned children
Room needs:
Ground floor: living/dining room, kitchen, entrance area, shower bath, guest room/office
Upper floor: 2 children’s rooms, large bathroom, master bedroom - attic
Office use: file storage and guest sleeping
Guests per year: approx. 10-20
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Semi-closed kitchen: with sliding door to close
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound system wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: yes, both
Personal budget limit for plot, house, and basement including fittings, additional building costs, and materials for DIY work (everything included): 450,000 €
We have currently held discussions with four prefab house manufacturers and are now waiting for their offers. However, a few questions arose when we roughly communicated some concerns from these manufacturers.
One of the main questions we have now is whether to build with a prefab house manufacturer or a conventional (solid) house builder/developer.
The next question is whether it makes sense, given the current interest rates, to pay extra for technology and insulation for a KfW55 house standard. (Clearly, with prefab houses this question hardly arises, but since prefab prices are currently increasing sharply, we wonder whether a conventional solid build without extensive KfW requirements might be cheaper or more efficient.)
Resulting from this is the question of technology, meaning heating, ventilation, etc.
Would it be sufficient to use a gas condensing boiler and solar panels without a ventilation system (manually opening windows is also an option), or is a heat pump (air-to-water) plus controlled ventilation and maybe photovoltaics better?
Everyone seems to say something different. One says you can’t achieve KfW55 without an air-to-water heat pump. Another says it’s possible even with gas because they have the best insulation on the market.
Another suggests adding photovoltaics with ventilation and an air-to-water heat pump... all in all, we’re quite confused about what really makes sense.
As mentioned, we will also talk to developers who build traditionally, brick by brick, and possibly consult an architect to see what results from that.
I will upload some floor plan sketches we made ourselves in the next few days, although honestly the basic questions about construction method and technology are more important to me.
Regards from Baden-Württemberg
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Bauexperte2 Feb 2016 14:17Hello,
You need to raise the ceiling height, at least 12 cm (5 inches) of insulation, residential windows, a lifting station, heating (which means a larger heating system), and of course some plumbing and electrical work; my estimate was still conservative. The 25,000 EUR doesn’t yet take into account that your single-family house might need a waterproof basement.
Regards, Bauexperte
Pritscher schrieb:That’s what laypeople always say.
But why did you estimate 25,000 EUR for the finishing of the granny flat? It shouldn’t cost that much. The basement insulation is included in the basement price.
You need to raise the ceiling height, at least 12 cm (5 inches) of insulation, residential windows, a lifting station, heating (which means a larger heating system), and of course some plumbing and electrical work; my estimate was still conservative. The 25,000 EUR doesn’t yet take into account that your single-family house might need a waterproof basement.
Pritscher schrieb:Flooring and furniture are part of the finishing work.
Also, for the 50 sqm (540 sq ft), we only want laminate flooring or a bathroom of about 6-8 sqm (65-86 sq ft), and the kitchen will at most be a small kitchenette costing 1,000-2,000 EUR.
Regards, Bauexperte
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Pritscher2 Feb 2016 14:23Bauexperte schrieb:
Hello,
This is what non-experts always say:
You need an additional floor, at least 12 cm (5 inches) of insulation, living space windows, a lifting station, heating (and therefore a larger heating system), and definitely some plumbing and electrical work as well; I have given a conservative estimate. The 25,000 EUR figure still does not take into account that your single-family house might require a waterproof basement.
Floor coverings and furniture are owner’s responsibility.
Best regards, BauexperteOkay... I see I need to do a bit more research... but I appreciate every answer and help. THANK YOU.
At the moment, I'm still struggling a bit with handling these numbers since it involves a lot of money, and at first glance, 25,000 EUR for a granny flat seems like a lot... but according to your breakdown, it is justified.
I will discuss this with my wife and then take the necessary steps to ensure that our “project” really becomes and remains feasible and that we still feel comfortable.
Thanks again, and as I said, tips and comparison values are always welcome.
PS. I don’t think a waterproof basement is necessary since we are building on a slight slope but on a hill...
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Bauexperte2 Feb 2016 14:58I would _not_ bet that a waterproofing against rising ground water is unnecessary.
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte
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Doc.Schnaggls2 Feb 2016 16:39Pritscher schrieb:
I don’t think a waterproof basement against groundwater pressure is necessary since we are building on a gentle slope but on a hill... I wouldn’t bet on that either...
We also built on a gentle slope and near the top.
Our plot was even previously developed, and my grandparents had lived in the house—so we definitely knew the basement had always been bone dry. Fortunately, our architect still convinced me to get a soil report.
As it turned out, about 20 cm (8 inches) below the “old” foundation, there is a water-bearing layer during heavy rain. Since we also needed a finished basement, we had to dig about 40 cm (16 inches) deeper than the old house’s foundation.
Without the soil report, we certainly wouldn’t have installed the proper basement waterproofing. Sure, we might have been able to canoe in the basement during heavy rain, but I’m not sure that was really what we wanted...
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Sebastian793 Feb 2016 06:28To be one-way only
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