Hello dear forum,
Without a long introduction, I would like to present the design of a single-family house with a floor plan measuring 14 m x 9 m (46 ft x 30 ft) and would appreciate some opinions, suggestions, and improvement ideas. The living and dining area is intended to be the central focus of the house.
Enjoy looking at the 3D images and the floor plan :-)
For your information:
In the images of the living area, the staircase is only roughly indicated (2 steps) because I wasn’t sure how to create it in the software... ;-)
Also, I attached two versions of the living area: one with a "straight" door to the hallway and one with a "angled" door to the hallway...
Without a long introduction, I would like to present the design of a single-family house with a floor plan measuring 14 m x 9 m (46 ft x 30 ft) and would appreciate some opinions, suggestions, and improvement ideas. The living and dining area is intended to be the central focus of the house.
Enjoy looking at the 3D images and the floor plan :-)
For your information:
In the images of the living area, the staircase is only roughly indicated (2 steps) because I wasn’t sure how to create it in the software... ;-)
Also, I attached two versions of the living area: one with a "straight" door to the hallway and one with a "angled" door to the hallway...
Well, you can’t really consider the ground floor independently like that. It’s much more practical if you describe your goals and present the overall project. Otherwise, everyone just plays “guessing game,” which isn’t very helpful. 3D renderings look nice, but site plans, dimensioned floor plans with appropriately marked furniture layouts, and so on are more relevant ;-)
Regarding the fireplace location and similar issues, I can only agree with @toxicmolotow. Huge rooms and minimal walkways.
A guest bathroom with a shower in the entrance area? Who is supposed to shower there?
Regarding the fireplace location and similar issues, I can only agree with @toxicmolotow. Huge rooms and minimal walkways.
A guest bathroom with a shower in the entrance area? Who is supposed to shower there?
Thank you very much for the feedback!
@toxicmolotow
Yes, I also noticed the issue with the dining table.
The alternative of rotating the table by 90 degrees (and probably the fireplace as well), as Karlstraße suggested, would mean that you could see directly from the living area into the kitchen.
I’m afraid that the already very open living space would feel even more "spacious," and the living room might lose its cozy atmosphere…?! A visual barrier to the kitchen should definitely be maintained.
What do you mean by the gate to hell? Is the dining table too close to the kitchen?
Could you suggest ways to avoid long walking distances in the kitchen without having to remove the cooking island and the adjacent breakfast platform?
Utility room: intended to serve as a basement substitute (next to the carport extension). It will house the thermal storage, gas heating, electrical system, and laundry (washing + drying).
@Karlstraße
Rotating the fireplace by 90 degrees, as described above, would unfortunately result in a too open living room.
Unfortunately, I’m running out of ideas on how to 1. realize a large fireplace, 2. position the fireplace in the room, and 3. use the fireplace as a visual barrier to the kitchen at the same time… :-/ (not to mention the very narrow dining room…)
Entrance hall: yes, unfortunately very elongated, but I don’t see how to avoid this without significantly moving the kitchen.
Oh, and by the way, the program is called Roomeon.
@BeHaElJa
Thanks for the tip about the WC door, it will be changed! :-)
The upper floor is now also attached, along with 3D images of the bathroom, bedroom, and dressing room :-)
Thank you very much.
@toxicmolotow
Yes, I also noticed the issue with the dining table.
The alternative of rotating the table by 90 degrees (and probably the fireplace as well), as Karlstraße suggested, would mean that you could see directly from the living area into the kitchen.
I’m afraid that the already very open living space would feel even more "spacious," and the living room might lose its cozy atmosphere…?! A visual barrier to the kitchen should definitely be maintained.
What do you mean by the gate to hell? Is the dining table too close to the kitchen?
Could you suggest ways to avoid long walking distances in the kitchen without having to remove the cooking island and the adjacent breakfast platform?
Utility room: intended to serve as a basement substitute (next to the carport extension). It will house the thermal storage, gas heating, electrical system, and laundry (washing + drying).
@Karlstraße
Rotating the fireplace by 90 degrees, as described above, would unfortunately result in a too open living room.
Unfortunately, I’m running out of ideas on how to 1. realize a large fireplace, 2. position the fireplace in the room, and 3. use the fireplace as a visual barrier to the kitchen at the same time… :-/ (not to mention the very narrow dining room…)
Entrance hall: yes, unfortunately very elongated, but I don’t see how to avoid this without significantly moving the kitchen.
Oh, and by the way, the program is called Roomeon.
@BeHaElJa
Thanks for the tip about the WC door, it will be changed! :-)
The upper floor is now also attached, along with 3D images of the bathroom, bedroom, and dressing room :-)
Thank you very much.
So, the path to the shower or the toilet on the upper floor is quite... hmm, narrow, like a slalom 😉
Full stories? Or is there knee wall height and roof pitch?
Yvonne actually described the typical useful template for starting a thread in https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-bitte-vor-thread-erstellung-lesen.11714/, precisely because otherwise these questions get asked somewhere in the thread and the answers appear somewhere else. I really think it’s a shame to just disregard that.
Full stories? Or is there knee wall height and roof pitch?
Yvonne actually described the typical useful template for starting a thread in https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-bitte-vor-thread-erstellung-lesen.11714/, precisely because otherwise these questions get asked somewhere in the thread and the answers appear somewhere else. I really think it’s a shame to just disregard that.
Read the post too late, so here is a follow-up, at least for the questions I can answer 😉
First of all: The shower in the guest WC will not be removed for now, but only once the house is fully occupied (2 children are living here), so that there is at least an alternative shower available somewhere in case of urgency.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 600 sqm (approximately 6458 sq ft)
Slope: very slight incline (to be measured)
Orientation: Southeast
Owners' requirements
Style: country house
Roof type: gable roof (low pitch)
Building type: single-family house
Basement: no
Floors: ground floor and upper floor (2 full stories, no roof slopes on the upper floor)
Number of occupants: max. 4
Office: no
Open floor plan
Construction method: Poroton (clay block)
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 4 (up to 6)
Fireplace: masonry, central
Carport with extension (replacement for basement)
House design
Designer: architect
What is liked most: open living space
What is disliked: vestibule, small dining area
Preferred heating system: gas
First of all: The shower in the guest WC will not be removed for now, but only once the house is fully occupied (2 children are living here), so that there is at least an alternative shower available somewhere in case of urgency.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 600 sqm (approximately 6458 sq ft)
Slope: very slight incline (to be measured)
Orientation: Southeast
Owners' requirements
Style: country house
Roof type: gable roof (low pitch)
Building type: single-family house
Basement: no
Floors: ground floor and upper floor (2 full stories, no roof slopes on the upper floor)
Number of occupants: max. 4
Office: no
Open floor plan
Construction method: Poroton (clay block)
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 4 (up to 6)
Fireplace: masonry, central
Carport with extension (replacement for basement)
House design
Designer: architect
What is liked most: open living space
What is disliked: vestibule, small dining area
Preferred heating system: gas
C333B schrieb:
What I especially like: open living spaceC333B schrieb:
Rotating the fireplace by 90 degrees would, as mentioned above, unfortunately mean having a living room that feels too open.What does open living space mean to you?
For me, it is a room where the sofa and TV are centrally located, spaciously arranged within the house, and that connects several living areas.
In your case, the living space is a normally integrated room, but it stands out in size compared to the other areas on the ground floor.
C333B schrieb:
Enjoy watching the 3D images and the floor plan 🙂 The living room is less visible in the 3D pictures, but the main area (sofa plus view of TV/fireplace) appears quite small to me. The distance between TV/fireplace and sofa is very tight; behind that is a living area that seems to serve mainly as a place for furniture?
The dining area is unusable due to tightness and the fireplace; the kitchen pathways also seem narrow. In 3D you can slide the stools under the counter, but in reality this won’t work, as the stools will constantly get in the way.
C333B schrieb:
Hello, attached is the floor plan with dimensions.What exactly is measured there? For example, I’m missing the width of the dining area (2-something or 3-something?), and the distances between kitchen work zones…
C333B schrieb:
how to avoid long walking distances without the kitchen islandA U-shaped kitchen with an island, fridge on one side, worktop on the other… always involves long walking distances. An L-shaped kitchen, for example, offers a more efficient work path where bar stools wouldn’t be in the way.
C333B schrieb:
Unfortunately, I’m running out of ideas on how to 1. realize a large fireplace, 2. position the fireplace in the room, and 3. use the fireplace as a visual screen to the kitchen at the same time… :-/ (not to mention the very narrow dining room..)C333B schrieb:
Entrance area: yes, unfortunately very elongated, but I don’t see how to avoid this without significantly moving the kitchen.I thought the design was from an architect? Why are these ideas your own?
C333B schrieb:
Oh yes, the program is called Roomeon.C333B schrieb:
and I would appreciate some opinions, suggestions, and improvements.The problem with 3D software is: once you click the button to see your drawing in 3D, you fall in love with it without evaluating it objectively. People cling to the walls and don’t want to give up, fearing it will collapse 😉
To me, the living space feels too large, the dining area too small (actually it hardly exists, since it’s used as circulation space in front of the stairs), and the kitchen seems poorly planned. The access from the entrance to the kitchen is too long. Upstairs the long route from the bathroom to the toilet is similar; the walk-in closet could be better accessed from the hallway.
You constantly have to walk around things — there are no logical circulation paths.
What I do like is the bold choice to place entrance and garden openings on one side (south). This is possible, and few people have the vision to plan that! 🙂
Regards, Yvonne
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toxicmolotof20 Sep 2015 23:27C333B schrieb:
What do you mean by the gate to hell? Dining table too close to the kitchen? Haha, yes, that would be a fitting association. I mean that the occupant or guest sitting “top left” or “at the head of the table” gets gradually scorched on their back or right side by the active fireplace. We have a fairly small fireplace from Scan (6kW) with a panoramic glass door, and our seating is about 150cm (60 inches) away. Even there, if the fireplace is running properly, it becomes uncomfortably warm after about half an hour, so people tend to move away quickly. You’d probably be much closer there, so it’s effectively like being grilled.
C333B schrieb:
Could you suggest ways to avoid long walking distances in the kitchen without giving up the cooking island and the adjacent breakfast platform? The oven, cooktop, work area, and refrigerator should be arranged in a triangle, without obstacles or sharp corners between them. Also, the pantry shouldn’t be too far away, unless the lady of the house gets paid by the mile.
C333B schrieb:
Utility room: meant to serve as a basement substitute (next to the carport extension). It will house the thermal storage, gas heating, electrical equipment, and laundry (washing + drying). We have all of the above in about 7sqm (75 sq ft), except for the washer and dryer. Besides a shelf, there isn’t much space left. I wouldn’t want to do my laundry there. Where do you plan to put the heating system in your layout? And once you have that, where will the gas connection go, the electrical meter, the gas meter, and the circuit breakers? For underfloor heating you’d also need a manifold, so the space will be even more crowded. I see major space issues here—it’s certainly not a substitute for a basement anymore. A stroller or four cans of paint and you’re out of room.
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